[LateBrake8]

Australian government* blows. I like G87s.

[OldButSmooth]

Originally Posted by BroDoze

LOL, no. You’re a pathetic, helpless, disarmed populace. Everything is wrong and ass-backwards in Australia.

Ouch, clearly expressed by a person who has travelled to Australia and enjoyed our warm hospitality and inexpensive eggs.

[LateBrake8]

Originally Posted by OldButSmooth

...inexpensive eggs.

Looked it up out of curiosity and found conflicting info on egg prices between US and AUS, but they appear to be similar.

US Eggs just a hit record high of $4.95 per dozen

Sources indicate a $4-9 range in Australia, with costs trending upward due to shortage.

"You don't see caged eggs for $3 a dozen anymore, I don't think I've seen eggs for under $6–7 for a while."

Looks like we're all screwed with eggs due to *checks notes* Bird Flu

[mks]

Ugh. Until recently, I’ve been ignoring this behavior. Not sure when we’ll decide (or have it decided for us by the mods) we’ve reached the tipping point and/or agree enough is enough, but here it goes…

Yet another instance in which gratuitous and incendiary comments are derailing threads whose subjects happen to incorporate topical and thematically “hot” areas of concern that are apparently too vexing for those with sensitive constitutions. This of course inspires hangers-on who take to cheerleading the incivility by echoing the tenor of those comments or, worse, passive-aggressively needling in other caviling ways, e.g., cheery-picking—in this case, “picking on” a triviality that misses the forest for the trees, so to speak. None of this is constructive, never mind germane.

The subject here is “What happens to G87 pricing if the 25% tariffs hit on February 1?” Leaving aside the complexity of what actually happens in tariff-inspired trade wars, this question doesn’t appear in its construction baiting or otherwise inciting. Yet, for some, it’s apparently quite triggering. Everyone has triggers, boiling points, etc. Who among us doesn’t get or admit that? How one responds to them, however, matters. Reminds me of something Viktor Frankl said about what he called the last of human freedoms; namely, while you cannot always choose or change the conditions of life, you can choose one’s attitude. Coming from him, that’s says a lot.

Now, back to the program already in progress…

To answer the question at hand: I don’t know. Not sure anyone else does, either.

Yet, it’s no mystery that one of the many negative impacts of tariffs is an increase of costs to consumers. I’ve read commentary from some who speculate on whether BMW vehicle costs will be offset in the consumer’s favor once Trump’s brief reprieve expires. Many would likely conclude (as many economists already have) it’s highly doubtful that any auto manufacturers will put such relief in place. To date, however, it appears the “answer” is still: no one knows what will happen with G87 pricing (not even my dealer with whom I spoke) or anything else. But here’s what BMW did say on one occasion when asked:

>> “The BMW Group does not base its long-term strategic decisions on politics or political incentives,” the company said.

In addition, according to a BMW rep, tariffs will not affect BMW’s plans to invest 800 million euros in a new battery facility near its San Luis Potosi, Mexico, factory, which will enable local production of a next-generation EV known as the Neue Klasse by 2027 (Fortune). <<

Despite such bold sentiment, manufacturers will be looking to make up losses in current and anticipated share price. Politics or not.

Tariffs are generally concerned with revenue, restriction, and reciprocity or, in Trump’s case, a fiery brew of all three. The answer to the question of G87 pricing in the face of tariffs will be impacted by a far more complex array of causes and effects--the near unlimited scope of Trump’s tariff plan will metastasize into and among everything else. Materials and part, supply chain, retaliatory efforts, job cost, etc. can impact pricing of any one item—which may itself be subject to a tariff (insightful article).

Here's a couple (out of a truck-load of contemporary and postmortem studies) of related articles for your review:
CFFR: https://www.cfr.org/blog/tariff-turb...-auto-market-0
CATO: https://www.cato.org/blog/seven-char...-auto-industry (companion piece from AP: https://apnews.com/article/trump-tar...96229068894720)

[LateBrake8]

Originally Posted by mks

...passive-aggressively needling in other caviling ways

Originally Posted by mks

...None of this is constructive

Originally Posted by mks

...Yet, for some, it's apparently quite triggering

Ironic.

That was quite an impressive volume of words expended to convey little, if anything, of newfound substance. It appears someone on the internet expressed an opinion you found unsettling. How profoundly distressing..

[Viffermike]

I've been a mod for several forums over the years, with memberships in the hundreds to the hundreds of thousands. The basic rule here is really simple, both to understand and to follow:

Keep the discussion to the original topic.

Unfailingly, those who stray from that are those who endanger their standing on, and value to, a forum.

(Yes: I'm endangering myself by saying the above. I don't think it will get me censured or banned, though.)

[Crazyotter]

So now it’s a 25% tariff on all imported cars regardless of what country they come from?

[torentmonkey]

You cant get bored with this dude. Sounds like it.

[two_three_two]

spartanburg is going to be on three shifts cranking out non-tariffed SUVs if that actually plays out (it wont) (we will have a new thread in three days on the proposed 17.55% tariffs)

[ScottyRyan2019]

Originally Posted by Crazyotter

So now it’s a 25% tariff on all imported cars regardless of what country they come from?

Looks like that's the plan.

There appears to be a lack of reality in the thought on this because you just don't move production to a different location on a whim and over the course of a few months.

It appears some people are slowly starting to realize that tariffs actually do impact the consumer. What a surprise.

[Crazyotter]

There goes my M4 backup plan lol

[RMB]

Are people being quoted higher prices now or is this still playing out politically?

[ourlee]

I’m build week 10, what could go wrong?

[IanH]

Originally Posted by RMB

Are people being quoted higher prices now or is this still playing out politically?

Price of the car would never change, tariff would show up in the delivery cost.

No new tariff is in place, or has been collected on a car yet, so no changes in price.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by Crazyotter

There goes my M4 backup plan lol

Mine too. POOOF 💨💨💨💨

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by RMB

Are people being quoted higher prices now or is this still playing out politically?

It won't happen until it happens.

[Ronin76]

Not even worried about it anymore.

Whatever happens when it’s time to get my car, I will make a decision at that time.

Can’t worry about things that are out of my control.

[BradMX5]

Originally Posted by Ronin76

Not even worried about it anymore.

Whatever happens when it’s time to get my car, I will make a decision at that time.

Can’t worry about things that are out of my control.

This is the way.

You'll be kicking yourself if you back out early just to find out nothing would have happened to your car on pickup.

Worst case is you get your deposit back and wait for a CPO TP on the lot. From what I've seen you probably wouldn't have to wait that long at all.

[Ronin76]

Originally Posted by BradMX5

This is the way.

You'll be kicking yourself if you back out early just to find out nothing would have happened to your car on pickup.

Worst case is you get your deposit back and wait for a CPO TP on the lot. From what I've seen you probably wouldn't have to wait that long at all.

Yeah, but it doesn’t even need to be TP. I like Alpine White too. So if at that time I find a Alpine White with say, carbon buckets, I will pull the trigger. I’m not married to anything other than a G87 (already bought too many carbon fiber goodies to back out now lol).

[Bimmer Frank]

Originally Posted by Ronin76

Not even worried about it anymore.

Whatever happens when it’s time to get my car, I will make a decision at that time.

Can’t worry about things that are out of my control.

This is how I feel at this point as well, no use theorizing.

[BradMX5]

Originally Posted by Ronin76

Yeah, but it doesn’t even need to be TP. I like Alpine White too. So if at that time I find a Alpine White with say, carbon buckets, I will pull the trigger. I’m not married to anything other than a G87 (already bought too many carbon fiber goodies to back out now lol).

You'll love the car once you get it.
I was blown away by it the night I picked it up.

Worth the wait 100%

[LateBrake8]

From the transcript of yesterday's developments:

Donald Trump
"And we'll be announcing various very large companies, the biggest actually.. having to do with chips and having to do also with cars.. I think momentous decisions are being made by companies all around the world, the biggest, and they want to come back into the US. Car plants are being canceled in other locations now because they want to build them here."

Question
"Mr. President, have you decided specifically what the auto tariff rate should be?"

Donald Trump
"Yeah, I probably will tell you that on April 2nd, but it will be in the neighborhood of 25 percent."

Question
"What about semiconductors and pharmaceuticals?"

Donald Trump
"It will be 25 percent and higher, and it will go very substantially higher over the course of a year. But we want to give them time to come in because, as you know, when they come into the United States and they have their plant or factory here, there is no tariff. So, we want to give them a little bit of a chance."

Though not outside the realm of possibility, seems less likely this refers/applies to BMW, given how much money they've invested in the SLP plant and how many of their parts they source locally in Mexico. BUT, they also have plans to expand SLP with a "Battery Module Production Center" for EVs and produce the Neue Klasse cars there from 2026-2027 on, so I do wonder how that plays out. Even assuming BMW abandons Mexico and moves everything to the U.S., cost of production will still go up and we'll be facing the same problem.

That said,

(1) We won't get an update until April 2nd;
(2) We don't know with 100% certainty what the update will be;
(3) If he moves forward with 25% auto tariffs on Mexico/XYZ-produced cars, we don't know if that will be implemented immediately or X number of weeks/months down the line;
(4) We don't know if companies like BMW will be given a grace period or other conditions whereby they can delay/offset/reduce/eliminate these tariffs; and
(5) If/when the tariffs are set and done, we don't know exactly how much the price of any given BMW will go up.

I hope this turns out well for everyone involved. In the meantime, production on my build is scheduled for week 8 (this week) and I will continue to be cautiously optimistic. I'm happy with the fact that they appear to be kinda kicking the can down the road, for now.