[Sedan_Clan]

I still find it laughable to bring Porsche into any of these comparisons. An ///M car has far more usability than any 911 or Cayman. Sure, people daily drive them, but more people daily drive their ///M cars. The assertion that the 911 is somehow daily driven more often than an M2 is absolutely absurd; most are, at best, weekend cars….and at worst, full on garage queens (…because the vast majority of P-Car owners are overly concerned about mileage and resale). Even from a financial standpoint, to build a 911 that is equivalent to a well optioned ///M in terms of feel/quality means you'll be spending another $30k in options as Porsche price gouges for EVERYTHING. I optioned up my C2S nearly $30k just to get it on par with my prior Individual M4 with full leather, etc. (…and the fact that my C2S had a base price of $117k - and a fully built price of $146k - while my most recent '17 F82 M4 was $85k-ish with most option boxes checked including Individual paint, really puts it into perspective). The reality of the times also requires that you add another $25-40k ADM to get into any non-GT 911; I was extremely lucky to know somebody with enough pull to get me a small discount on my '22 C2S. So by today's standards, a well optioned C2S will cost you $170-185k-ish while an M3/M4/M2 will still be sub-$100k or just a little over $100k under all but the most compelling circumstances (…e.g. CSL). There really is no comparison. It's like comparing the price of a Staccato versus that of a high end Sig. They aren't even close.


P.S. Base model Porsche 911 interiors are equivalent to a 328i.

[BMthusiast]

Originally Posted by atl_1M

I guess youd still be alive by technicality bc the camo car is the exact same as the leak. It just has some additional cladding in the diffuser area. Besides that they're identical. Not sure what you all are seeing that's different, but I guess that just means the camo worked.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion and no way I'd tell someone to get their eyes checked or some bs like that, but from what I'm seeing the major protrusion in the leaked pics isn't there in the wrapped version.

[LivingInSalt]

Originally Posted by Kuato2084

Everyone's entitled to their opinion and no way I'd tell someone to get their eyes checked or some bs like that, but from what I'm seeing the major protrusion in the leaked pics isn't there in the wrapped version.

It's right there

[M3R1]

Originally Posted by ROBM2C

The m2 cs is a suckers buy . The m2 competition is the best of them all . Same car as the cs except for the suspension .

Now remeber kids the cs and competition have the same motor !!!! Same heart !!! Same car!

Sorry if you paid double just for suspension :P

Feel free to discuss and defend your cs purchase but the facts are the facts .

For that money by the Porsche .

I have owned both and you are correct, the M2c can be made to be better than the M2cs.

To make the M2c to the level of the M2cs, I would have been at $70-75k after wheels, suspension and a tune.

Those that paid MSRP will likely not lose any money on their car, perhaps ever.

Driving a car for several years without losing money does not classify as a "suckers buy" to me?

Having poured money in many other cars without equal return on investment, I is actually nice to have a car that I really don't need to improve upon. FYI, both car are in bad need of exhaust.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by LivingInSalt

It's right there

It's there, but you have the wrong area circled on the camouflaged version. What Kuato is missing is the fact that the lower diffuser on the baby blue M2 is gloss black, obscuring it a bit and highlighting/exaggerating a detail in the bumper that isn't nearly as pronounced as that photo makes it seem.

[LivingInSalt]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

It's there, but you have the wrong area circled on the camouflaged version.

Oh shoot yeah I circled the reflector

[LivingInSalt]

here we go

[Don Pauleone]

M240i, a non-M car, looks better for the first time than M. 🫦 i am about to lose faith

[AlpineBoost]

Originally Posted by Don Pauleone

M240i, a non-M car, looks better for the first time than M. 🫦 i am about to lose faith

G20 M340i would like to have a word with you.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by Kuato2084

Everyone's entitled to their opinion and no way I'd tell someone to get their eyes checked or some bs like that, but from what I'm seeing the major protrusion in the leaked pics isn't there in the wrapped version.

Stubborn facts.

[ROBM2C]

Originally Posted by M3R1

I have owned both and you are correct, the M2c can be made to be better than the M2cs.

To make the M2c to the level of the M2cs, I would have been at $70-75k after wheels, suspension and a tune.

Those that paid MSRP will likely not lose any money on their car, perhaps ever.

Driving a car for several years without losing money does not classify as a "suckers buy" to me?

Having poured money in many other cars without equal return on investment, I is actually nice to have a car that I really don't need to improve upon. FYI, both car are in bad need of exhaust.

Your right , the value of the CS will always be stronger then the competition and I understand completely from that stand point in the collectors world the CS will always command way more then the competition .


That's a long time from now though, I'm not looking to cash in on a car 30 years from now .

My point was from a users stand point . It's essentially the same car . It can crush the CS for much cheaper , and a lot of enthusiasts will enjoy that part .

The CS will be a very good collector car if you don't drive it , in 30 years …it will always be worth what you buy it for today so yes wrong choice of words not a suckers bet more of an investment collectors car.

[M3R1]

Originally Posted by ROBM2C

Your right , the value of the CS will always be stronger then the competition and I understand completely from that stand point in the collectors world the CS will always command way more then the competition .


That's a long time from now though, I'm not looking to cash in on a car 30 years from now .

My point was from a users stand point . It's essentially the same car . It can crush the CS for much cheaper , and a lot of enthusiasts will enjoy that part .

The CS will be a very good collector car if you don't drive it , in 30 years …it will always be worth what you buy it for today so yes wrong choice of words not a suckers bet more of an investment collectors car.

Suckers buy was absolutely a strong statement that will undoubtedly elicit a response.

My point is some are actually quite pleased with the level of performance that the M2cs provides. I don't think you need more as a street car.

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...78&postcount=7

I commented on the difference between the M2c and M2cs yesterday in a different thread.

[therealm3]

So I just saw a newer z4 and realized the back bumper has a bit of what the m2 has going on. But it looks way better. I think it is because the shapes are less exaggerated. Looking at the front of the z4 m40. I feel like all BMW had to do was make it look kinda like that and it would be great. Oh well. What can you do.

[Xdriver]

Wow she's ugly

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I still find it laughable to bring Porsche into any of these comparisons. An ///M car has far more usability than any 911 or Cayman. Sure, people daily drive them, but more people daily drive their ///M cars. The assertion than the 911 is somehow daily driven more often than an M2 is absolutely absurd; most are, at best, weekend cars….and at worst, full on garage queens (…because the vast majority of P-Car owners are overly concerned about mileage and resale). Even from a financial standpoint, to build a 911 that is equivalent to a well optioned ///M in terms of feel/quality means you'll be spending another $30k in options as Porsche price gouges for EVERYTHING. I optioned up my C2S nearly $30k just to get it on par with my prior Individual M4 with full leather, etc. (…and the fact that my C2S had a base price of $117k - and a fully built price of $146k - while my most recent '17 F82 M4 was $85k-ish with most option boxes checked including Individual paint, really puts it into perspective). The reality of the times also requires that you add another $25-40k ADM to get into any non-GT 911; I was extremely lucky to know somebody with enough pull to get me a small discount on my '22 C2S. So by today's standards, a well optioned C2S will cost you $170-185k-ish while an M3/M4/M2 will still be sub-$100k or just a little over $100k under all but the most compelling circumstances (…e.g. CSL). There really is no comparison. It's like comparing the price of a Staccato versus that of a high end Sig. They aren't even close.


P.S. Base model Porsche 911 interiors are equivalent to a 328i.

Couldn't agree more

[SocalBM]

Lots of "Porsche 911 is rubbish" from people who undoubtedly have never owned or driven one. Obviously this is a BMW forum, but let's be a bit more realistic.

[25 V8 IS]

Originally Posted by SocalBM

Lots of "Porsche 911 is rubbish" from people who undoubtedly have never owned or driven one. Obviously this is a BMW forum, but let's be a bit more realistic.

Exactly.

[Mtxzptlk]

Initial impressions most certainly didn't blow me away, but it's growing on me.

The car isn't really being done justice with the terrible color and raw candid spy shots.

Would rather consider the G87 over a G80/82.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by dukat1

i'm praying for a Z4Mwith a s58 imagine that

I hope you're , your own personal Jesus , because that's unlikely to ever happen

But I do love the thought I have to admit

So I will pray to

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

I hope you're , your own personal Jesus , because that's unlikely to ever happen

But I do love the thought I have to admit

I figure that it was just a far fetched internet rumor but being that the Z4 and Supra share the same exact components and the latter comes with a manual B58, it wouldn't be too much to hassle to make it to fruition.. One would assume..

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Poochie

I figure that it was just a far fetched internet rumor but being that the Z4 and Supra share the same exact components and the latter comes with a manual B58, it wouldn't be too much to hassle to make it to fruition.. One would assume..

Why not

They could try to milk it

It will most likely will be the last Z4

[WickedNy]

Originally Posted by Romo

The car is so rectangular, so squared, it's like the finishing touch on shape has stil to be made.

A sculpture not done yet.

It looks unfinished all the way, whatever angle I look at it.

Exactly what I was thinking