[///M Power-Belgium]

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Bad news for the Red Bull and MAX fans , as I said in my post above ..

Red Bull stops the RB21 updates and gives up the 2025 title fight (!)
The Red Bull priority is from now on the 2026 RB22 car , and I'm pretty sure MAX already knew it at the Barcelona GP that's why his race was actually a reflection from all his frustrations at the track ..
Source is the Dutch article => https://formule1nieuws.nl/modules/news&storyid=53161

That won't stop him getting a podium place or even chancing for more wins, that 66th win is beckoning.
Imagine what it's like for the rest of the field who have to follow the leaders.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Bad news for the Red Bull and MAX fans , as I said in my post above ..

Red Bull stops the RB21 updates and gives up the 2025 title fight (!)
The Red Bull priority is from now on the 2026 RB22 car , and I'm pretty sure MAX already knew it at the Barcelona GP that's why his race was actually a reflection from all his frustrations at the track ..
Source is the Dutch article => =53161[/url]

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Yeah stopt means stop alright

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

That won't stop him getting a podium place or even chancing for more wins, that 66th win is beckoning.
Imagine what it's like for the rest of the field who have to follow the leaders.

Sure . MAX still will fight to win and for podiums (as always)
The downside is : The other drivers just know it about his 11 penalty points on his F1 license.
And they will do everything they can to provoke an incident with MAX and I think there's a big chance that MAX gets a race ban (!)

And the 2025 title fight is already over ..

1- The 2025 Red Bull budget cap.
2- The Frenchman and his RB21 upgrades really s@ck (as usual)!
3- It's a Mission-Impossible to beat McLaren in the WCC and WDC.

Too bad (!)

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

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Yeah stopt means stop alright

That is correct .

[Artemis]

Rumored plan if Verstappen gets a 12 penalty points race ban: Hadjar replaces Verstappen + Lindblad replaces Hadjar.

No penalty points in Canada or Austria for Verstappen = he shakes off 2 penalty points (from 11 to 9).

"Red Bull set for exemption that would give it new F1 driver option"
https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/f...rvid-lindblad/

Johnny Herbert:

Originally Posted by Artemis

Herbert has been kicked out. But he left a 12 months "heritage" for Verstappen.

Nov 2023 - 2024:

• Nov 18, 2023 - 2023 Las Vegas GP: forcing Leclerc off the track at Turn 1
  • 5 second time penalty - 2 penalty points - expiry on Nov 18, 2024
  • FIA stewards: Garry Connelly - Loïc Bacquelaine - Derek Warwick - Dennis Dean
  • Decision file: https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...he%20track.pdf
• June 30, 2024 - 2024 Austrian GP: collision with Norris at Turn 3
  • 10 second time penalty - 2 penalty points - expiry on June 30, 2025
  • FIA stewards: Felix Holter - Matthew Selley - Johnny Herbert - Wilhelm Singer
  • Decision file: https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...0collision.pdf
• Sep 20, 2024 - 2024 Singapore GP: use of language "the car was f**ked" to describe his car, during the FIA Thursday Driver Press Conference, which is generally considered "coarse, rude" or may "cause offense" and is not considered suitable for broadcast
  • obligation to accomplish some work of public interest - no penalty points
  • FIA stewards: Tim Mayer - Mathieu Remmerie - Johnny Herbert - Paul Ng
  • Decision file: https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...20Language.pdf
• Oct 27, 2024 - 2024 Mexico City GP: forcing Norris off the track at Turn 4
  • 10 second time penalty - 2 penalty points - expiry on Oct 27, 2025
  • FIA stewards: Tim Mayer - Loïc Bacquelaine - Johnny Herbert - Alfonso Oros Trigueros
  • Decision file: https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...corrected).pdf
• Oct 27, 2024 - 2024 Mexico City GP: leaving the track and gaining a lasting advantage at Turn 8
  • 10 second time penalty - no penalty points - expiry on Oct 27, 2025
  • FIA stewards: Tim Mayer - Loïc Bacquelaine - Johnny Herbert - Alfonso Oros Trigueros
  • Decision file: https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...0advantage.pdf
• Nov 2, 2024 - 2024 São Paulo Sprint: 0.63 seconds below the minimum time at VSC End (when the FIA light panels change to green)
  • 5 second time penalty - 1 penalty point - expiry on Nov 2, 2025
  • FIA stewards: Gerd Ennser - Andrew Mallalieu - Johnny Herbert - Luciano Burti
  • Decision file: https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...fringement.pdf
    (note: the decision mentions inaccurately "Fact: The driver was above the minimum time at VSC End." - should be corrected as "Fact: The driver was below the minimum time at VSC End.")

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Bad news for the Red Bull and MAX fans , as I said in my post above ..

Red Bull stops the RB21 updates and gives up the 2025 title fight (!)
The Red Bull priority is from now on the 2026 RB22 car , and I'm pretty sure MAX already knew it at the Barcelona GP that's why his race was actually a reflection from all his frustrations at the track ..
Source is the Dutch article => https://formule1nieuws.nl/modules/news&storyid=53161

Ferrari should do the same!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!
This years car isn't going to do anything

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Sure . MAX still will fight to win and for podiums (as always)
The downside is : The other drivers just know it about his 11 penalty points on his F1 license.
And they will do everything they can to provoke an incident with MAX and I think there's a big chance that MAX gets a race ban (!)

And the 2025 title fight is already over ..

1- The 2025 Red Bull budget cap.
2- The Frenchman and his RB21 upgrades really s@ck (as usual)!
3- It's a Mission-Impossible to beat McLaren in the WCC and WDC.

Too bad (!)

F1 car designers are a rarity and it's a shame RB has put a block on the '25 cars upgrades budget wise.
On a happier note I'm watching all of the Mission Impossible films now and seeing the latest one in a cinema on Sunday.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Rumored plan if Verstappen gets a 12 penalty points race ban: Hadjar replaces Verstappen + Lindblad replaces Hadjar.

No penalty points in Canada or Austria for Verstappen = he shakes off 2 penalty points (from 11 to 9).

"Red Bull set for exemption that would give it new F1 driver option"
https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/f...rvid-lindblad/

Johnny Herbert:

I can't look at it.

[Artemis]

Mind games.

McLaren: Piastri - Norris | Spain 2025 qualies

"Stella gives his take on Piastri's 'cheeky' comment and how McLaren will manage intra-team fight going forward"
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...5ugnCvZQpsT07j
"After setting the pace in the Q1 and Q2 segments of the session, Piastri initially looked to have secured provisional pole during the opening runs of Q3 – before Norris went even faster, having taken a tow from his team mate in the final corner.
When warned over the radio that Norris would pass him after crossing the line, Piastri dryly responded: “Cheeky”. Piastri went on to beat his team mate in the second runs, securing his fourth pole position of the season.
However, when asked later in the weekend – after a race in which Piastri led home Norris in a 1-2 result – about how much that Qualifying moment had acted as a reminder of the intra-team challenges McLaren could face during the rest of the season, Stella played down its significance and suggested that the onus was more on the squad’s communication."

McLaren: Alonso - Hamilton | Hungary 2007 qualies

Hamilton, who was heavier with fuel, deliberately disobeyed a McLaren team order to let a lighter Alonso past so that Alonso could have a chance for pole position – Alonso struck back by deliberately delaying over 10 seconds after the lollipopman granted him to leave, "discussing tires" with his mechanics – Hamilton couldn't make it on time anymore to the qualies chequered flag for a final lap – Alonso got provisional pole but later got a 5 grid positions penalty – GP: Hamilton on pole won the race and Alonso on P6 finished P4 – No WCC points as penalty for Team McLaren.

Race stewards decision (infringements: Alonso + Team McLaren):

"During the final minutes of qualifying, the car driven by Fernando Alonso remained in its pit stop position at the completion of his pit stop notwithstanding the fact that his team-mate Lewis Hamilton was waiting immediately behind him to commence his own pit stop. The delay prevented Hamilton from being able to complete his final flying lap of Qualifying.
The Team Principal, together with the team manager and both drivers were called before the Stewards and asked to explain their actions. Reference was made to video and audio evidence. The facts and the explanation given by the team are as follows:
At the commencement of the third period of the Qualifying practice it had been agreed within the Vodafone McLaren Mercedes Team (“The Team”) that Fernando Alonso would leave the pit exit ahead of Lewis Hamilton in order to benefit from the possibility for purposes of fuel burn allowance of being able to complete an additional lap.
In the event, the car driven by Lewis Hamilton arrived at the pit exit before that of Fernando Alonso and when the pit lane opened he left in front of Alonso. The team required Hamilton by radio communication to allow Alonso to pass in order that he might endeavour to complete his extra lap. Because of the proximity of the Ferrari driven by Kimi Räikkönen, however, Hamilton declined to allow Alonso to pass despite repeated requests from the team to do so.
Reference to the radio communications passing between the team and its two drivers shows that the team told Hamilton at 14:56:44 to “box this lap” and required him to do a “hard in lap” but advised him some 32 seconds later to “slow the pace a little, just lose a couple of seconds before the end of the lap because Fernando is pitting in front of you”.
At 14:57:34, just 18 seconds later Alonso was told that when he pitted “we are going to hold you for 20 seconds”.
At 14:57:46 Alonso’s car arrived at his pit stop position, his tyres were changed and the jacks removed just 6 seconds later. The car then remained in position from 14:57:52 to 14:58:12 when the signal known as the “lollipop” was raised indicating that the driver was free to leave.
By this time Hamilton’s car had arrived and stopped immediately behind that of Alonso. Alonso, instead of leaving his pit in order that his team-mate Hamilton could complete his pit stop, remained in position for a further 10 seconds. He then left the pit lane in sufficient time to reach the Control Line before the end of Qualifying, completed a flying lap in which he set the fastest time and secured pole position.
Because of the delay caused by Alonso, Hamilton was unable to complete his pit stop in time sufficient to enable him also to complete a flying lap.
The team were asked to explain why having indicated to Hamilton that he must stop at his pit on the next lap, they then informed Alonso whilst he was still on the track that when he also pitted on the next lap he would be held for 20 seconds.
The team stated that they frequently give estimates as to duration of pit stop to their drivers before they pit and that the reason the car was in fact held for 20 seconds was that it was being counted down prior to release at a beneficial time regard being given to other cars on the track.
Alonso was asked why he waited for some 10 seconds before leaving the pits after being given the signal to leave. His response was that he was enquiring as to whether the correct set of tyres had been fitted to his car. When asked why this conversation did not take place during the 20 second period when his car sat stationary all work on it having been completed, it was stated that it was not possible to communicate by radio because of the countdown being given to him.
Reference to the circuit map shows that at the time Alonso was told he would be held for 20 seconds there were but 4 cars on the circuit, his own and those of Fisichella, Hamilton and Räikkönen. All but Räikkönen entered the pits such that there can have been no necessity to keep Alonso in the pits for 20 seconds waiting for a convenient gap in traffic in which to leave.
The explanation given by Alonso as to why at the expiration of the 20 second period he remained in his pit stop position for a further 10 seconds is not accepted. The Stewards find that he unnecessarily impeded another driver, Hamilton, and as a result he will be penalised by a loss of 5 grid positions.
The explanation given by the team as to why they kept Alonso stationary for 20 seconds after completion of his tyre change and therefore delayed Hamilton’s own pit stop is not accepted.
The actions of the team in the final minutes of Qualifying are considered prejudicial to the interests of the competition and to the interests of motor sport generally. The penalty to be applied is that such points (if any) in the 2007 Formula One Constructors Championship as accrue to the team as a result of their participation in the 2007 Hungarian Grand Prix wilt be withdrawn.
The team is reminded of its right of appeal."

[G30M]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Ferrari should do the same!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!
This years car isn't going to do anything

imagine the chain reaction, everybody stops developing this year's car and build next year's car, everybody in the same boat, and yet nothing changes.

still an interesting year.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by G30M

imagine the chain reaction, everybody stops developing this year's car and build next year's car, everybody in the same boat, and yet nothing changes.

still an interesting year.

Not McLaren, they still have to come up with the biggest 2025 planned upgrades .

In the Spain GP they still ran with the old flexible front wing , with an extra $100 hinge support.

The McLaren car will be unbeatable for the rest of this 2025 season.
And they will run the brake and tyre cooling trick also in the 2026 season...

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by G30M

imagine the chain reaction, everybody stops developing this year's car and build next year's car, everybody in the same boat, and yet nothing changes.

still an interesting year.

I imagine everyone will devote a majority of resources this year figuring out MCLs "Brake Magic"

Not to be confused with Hammy's Brake Magic

Sorry AmuroRay I haven't taken a cheap shot at Lewis in a while. Old habits die hard

[G30M]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Not McLaren, they still have to come up with the biggest 2025 planned upgrades .

In the Spain GP they still ran with the old flexible front wing , with an extra $100 hinge support.

The McLaren car will be unbeatable for the rest of this 2025 season.
And they will run the brake and tyre cooling trick also in the 2026 season...

Im not sure why they have to come up with biggest updates if they are already unbeatable?

They would need to if they were beatable, which is a possibility, there are many more races. But if they are unbeatable according to some, and everyone stops upgrades then there's nothing more they need to do.

More permutations than one can imagine, for the rest of the season. I think Max still has a chance, the season is not even halfway yet.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

What a great day that was at H-7 Salzburg Airport, that building is something else

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Not McLaren, they still have to come up with the biggest 2025 planned upgrades .

In the Spain GP they still ran with the old flexible front wing , with an extra $100 hinge support.

The McLaren car will be unbeatable for the rest of this 2025 season.
And they will run the brake and tyre cooling trick also in the 2026 season...

In spite of the doom and gloom talk from media and namely the Dutch press RBR are hard at it, developing a brake bell configuration and reworked cooling ducts and adding some elements of the papayas brake system. MAX himself has said a tool will soon unravel the papaya 'trick'.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by G30M

Im not sure why they have to come up with biggest updates if they are already unbeatable?

They would need to if they were beatable, which is a possibility, there are many more races. But if they are unbeatable according to some, and everyone stops upgrades then there's nothing more they need to do.

More permutations than one can imagine, for the rest of the season. I think Max still has a chance, the season is not even halfway yet.

It takes months to design and manufacture the F1 updates like new floors , wings ,diffuser ,side pods, brake ducts , ect..
This means most updates (parts) are designed and manufactured during the winter break and always planned from months before ..
Just like the cars suspension , the upgrades are always track specific and manufactured from the beginning of the season.
But they always can re-work the upgrades during the season to improve the car even more .

MAX still has a chance ?
I don't think so , with 11 penalty points he can't take many risks anymore as he risks a race ban .
If both McLarens crash in 2-3 races and MAX wins , then he might have a chance .
But I certainly don't see this happening and that's not what we want to see .

[wizardofOz]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Ferrari should do the same!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!
This years car isn't going to do anything

Not a Ferrari fan Killed by Death but Charles got a podium and I think he's doing okay..Well I mean that IS something

[wizardofOz]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

It takes months to design and manufacture the F1 updates like new floors , wings ,diffuser ,side pods, brake ducts , ect..
This means most updates (parts) are designed and manufactured during the winter break and always planned from months before ..
Just like the cars suspension , the upgrades are always track specific and manufactured from the beginning of the season.
But they always can re-work the upgrades during the season to improve the car even more .

MAX still has a chance ?
I don't think so , with 11 penalty points he can't take many risks anymore as he risks a race ban .
If both McLarens crash in 2-3 races and MAX wins , then he might have a chance .
But I certainly don't see this happening and that's not what we want to see .

Sticking my head out and saying that:

Constructors championship will be won by McLaren and drivers championship won by Oscar

You guys can quote me on this and I'll give a default response with something like 'in hindsight I should have.....'

I am a Carlos and Williams fan (I can't believe how hard it is to find merchandise for Williams in this city...sheesh) and also a Stroll fan for obvious reasons

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by wizardofOz

Sticking my head out and saying that:

Constructors championship will be won by McLaren and drivers championship won by Oscar

You guys can quote me on this and I'll give a default response with something like 'in hindsight I should have.....'

I am a Carlos and Williams fan (I can't believe how hard it is to find merchandise for Williams in this city...sheesh) and also a Stroll fan for obvious reasons

Stroll, who is that!?!?

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by wizardofOz

...

Constructors championship will be won by McLaren and drivers championship won by Oscar

That's my bet too

Only a run of bad luck might change that.

[wizardofOz]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

Stroll, who is that!?!?

Someone guy who may not be competing in the next race because he busted his hand in a rage quit moment, it's a shame honestly