[Mr. Hankey]

Originally Posted by Ronin76

Looks great!!! So that is really port install HAS height? Looks awesome! I plan on getting the MP HAS kit and was wondering if the 10mm would be enough and seeing your pics I believe it is perfect! Good to know.

Yes, that's it as it came from the dealer with MP-HAS installed at the port. I've seen on the forums that some MP-HAS installs have come from the port dropped all the way (20 mm) rather than the 10 mm drop. I can't see in there what height it is dropped to, but I'm 99% sure this is 10mm drop all around and I have another cm to go. I'll take a look when I get it up on my lift this weekend.

[Mr. Hankey]

Originally Posted by Ronin76

Looks great!!! So that is really port install HAS height? Looks awesome! I plan on getting the MP HAS kit and was wondering if the 10mm would be enough and seeing your pics I believe it is perfect! Good to know.

Duplicate post, please delete. For your entertainment what did the fish say when it ran into a wall? Dam. Second part - what did the wall say? "Dumb Bass"...have a good weekend peeps!

[apez]

Originally Posted by Mr. Hankey

Yes, that's it as it came from the dealer with MP-HAS installed at the port. I've seen on the forums that some MP-HAS installs have come from the port dropped all the way (20 mm) rather than the 10 mm drop. I can't see in there what height it is dropped to, but I'm 99% sure this is 10mm drop all around and I have another cm to go. I'll take a look when I get it up on my lift this weekend.

I honestly thought mine was only 10mm down, but I had major alignment issues. I later had the dealer correct the alignment.

Then when I went to install spacers (until I can justify some wheels in a few years) I discovered the car was all the way down.

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[daddyjaxx]

Will I have any rubbing or fitment issues with the following setup:

Apex VS-5RS
F 19x10" ET12
R 20x11" ET18

PS4S/Firehawk Indy 500/Proxes R888R
F 285/35R19
R 305/35R20

Eibach Pro-Kit Springs
Lowers front 15-20mm
Lowers rear 10-15mm

On Apex's website, the staff suggests running 305/30R20 in the rear with this wheel setup, but I like the look of a thicker sidewall. Will I have any issues fitting the taller tire in the rear with the lowering springs?

[Expert@ApexWheels]

Originally Posted by daddyjaxx

Will I have any rubbing or fitment issues with the following setup:

Apex VS-5RS
F 19x10" ET12
R 20x11" ET18

PS4S/Firehawk Indy 500/Proxes R888R
F 285/35R19
R 305/35R20

Eibach Pro-Kit Springs
Lowers front 15-20mm
Lowers rear 10-15mm

On Apex's website, the staff suggests running 305/30R20 in the rear with this wheel setup, but I like the look of a thicker sidewall. Will I have any issues fitting the taller tire in the rear with the lowering springs?

I would say yes, the setup is likely to rub. That tire is significantly wider and taller than the OE tires and taller than our test tires. If you have a preference for a thick sidewall, I'd recommend going to a smaller diameter rear wheel which would let you run a 35 aspect ratio while maintaining the overall rolling diameter and preventing rubbing.

We haven't tested the taller setup you mentioned because it isn't ever an option I'd recommend for a customer, especially one on lowering springs.

-Tom

[Celestion]

Just bought a set of the SM-10RS in black, 20x11 ET 18, and 19x10 ET 12. Website said there were two of the 20s left, so hopefully that’s accurate and I’ll get these wheels soon!

[apez]

Nice, excited to see more of the MLs. I am sure they won't be as light as some of your options, but love the classic look.

[Sleeper]

Expert@ApexWheels
Sorry if I missed it in this meaty thread, but was looking for a recommendation for fr/rr wheel sizes (VS-5RS) when lowered on a KW HAS kit.

Currently running stock wheels, stock tires, and have 18mm front and 15mm rear spacers.

I’m looking for a dedicated track setup, so was considering the 19x10.5 +18 and 20x11 +18. Would that work with 275/305 tires and no rubbing issues? Or some other combination? Or a square 19” setup all around?

[Expert@ApexWheels]

Originally Posted by Sleeper

Expert@ApexWheels
Sorry if I missed it in this meaty thread, but was looking for a recommendation for fr/rr wheel sizes (VS-5RS) when lowered on a KW HAS kit.

Currently running stock wheels, stock tires, and have 18mm front and 15mm rear spacers.

I’m looking for a dedicated track setup, so was considering the 19x10.5 +18 and 20x11 +18. Would that work with 275/305 tires and no rubbing issues? Or some other combination? Or a square 19” setup all around?

If you are looking for a dedicated track option, I wouldn't recommend sticking with the staggered diameter options that use a 20" rear wheel. Square 19s offer way more choice of different track tires and would allow rotation between the front and rear axles. 295/30-19 square has been run a few times on this thread and is one option to consider. You'll likely need at least 5mm wide front spacers to clear the struts with that tire on our 19x10.5 ET18 wheel, possibly a wider spacer at which point you'd want to pick up adjustable camber plates.

Other options include tires like 285/35-19. 305 is possible but tricky to make work up front.

-Tom

[daddyjaxx]

Originally Posted by Expert@ApexWheels

If you are looking for a dedicated track option, I wouldn't recommend sticking with the staggered diameter options that use a 20" rear wheel. Square 19s offer way more choice of different track tires and would allow rotation between the front and rear axles. 295/30-19 square has been run a few times on this thread and is one option to consider. You'll likely need at least 5mm wide front spacers to clear the struts with that tire on our 19x10.5 ET18 wheel, possibly a wider spacer at which point you'd want to pick up adjustable camber plates.

Other options include tires like 285/35-19. 305 is possible but tricky to make work up front.

Would this setup work on HAS?

19x10.5 ET18 Square

Wrapped in 285/35-19

Plus, appropriate spacers for fitment

[Sleeper]

Originally Posted by Expert@ApexWheels

If you are looking for a dedicated track option, I wouldn't recommend sticking with the staggered diameter options that use a 20" rear wheel. Square 19s offer way more choice of different track tires and would allow rotation between the front and rear axles. 295/30-19 square has been run a few times on this thread and is one option to consider. You'll likely need at least 5mm wide front spacers to clear the struts with that tire on our 19x10.5 ET18 wheel, possibly a wider spacer at which point you'd want to pick up adjustable camber plates.

Other options include tires like 285/35-19. 305 is possible but tricky to make work up front.

-Tom

Super helpful, thanks!

[Expert@ApexWheels]

Originally Posted by daddyjaxx

Would this setup work on HAS?

19x10.5 ET18 Square

Wrapped in 285/35-19

Plus, appropriate spacers for fitment

Yes, but you might find that you need to raise the front ride height a bit to compensate for the taller tire along with a front spacer.

-Tom

[daddyjaxx]

Originally Posted by Expert@ApexWheels

Yes, but you might find that you need to raise the front ride height a bit to compensate for the taller tire along with a front spacer.

Perfect! Thanks for the help.

[Celestion]

Originally Posted by Celestion

Just bought a set of the SM-10RS in black, 20x11 ET 18, and 19x10 ET 12. Website said there were two of the 20s left, so hopefully that’s accurate and I’ll get these wheels soon!

Can confirm the website inventory was correct. My wheels arrived in only a few days! Now all I need is for my M2 to finish production…

[Celestion]

Will 285/35 R19 PS4S on 19x10 ET12 rub on a stock suspension at the front?

[AZG87]

Originally Posted by Celestion

Will 285/35 R19 PS4S on 19x10 ET12 rub on a stock suspension at the front?

I'm running 19x10 + 11 up front on stock PS4S with MP HAS port installed height 0 rub. I too want to move to the 285s when these go. I have seen mixed results so far with others needing to trim liner and then some clear fine.

[Expert@ApexWheels]

Originally Posted by Celestion

Will 285/35 R19 PS4S on 19x10 ET12 rub on a stock suspension at the front?

It shouldn't have any issues contacting suspension. Clearance to the fender liners can be tight, but on the G87 most 285 section street tires clear the liners without trimming.

-Tom

[71dsp]

Here is my Brooklyn Gray G87 with 19x10 (+12mm) and 20x11 (+18mm) Apex SM-10RS wheels in anthracite and 285/35/19 front and 305/30/20 rear Goodyear SuperCar3 tires.

MPerformance HAS lowered as far as they’ll go, but only 50 miles on it post install, and I haven’t done an alignment yet.

Wish the pics were better quality but best I could do while out running errands.

I do need to do something with the front liner vents. I have some TRE mesh plates to install. I get a very slight amount of rubbing.

Anyone know if there would be any clearance issues if I were to add CSL front hub carriers? I want the additional camber, but not sure if inner wheel clearance would be an issue. It’s pretty close already.

[lutfy]

Hi Tom,

Any reason why 18x10.5 is ET18 and not ET12 like the 19X10 ET12? I plan to run 295/30/18 Continental ExtremeContact (Hoosier contingency in NASA TT) or 295/30/18 Toyo RR (as both have contingency and 1.6 credit mod tire).

Running a higher ET with wider wheel will be close to the strut. There was a suggestion to run 5mm spacer which effectively yields ET12 in the end?

Thank you in advance.

Lutfy

[Celestion]

The wait for my car to arrive is more difficult now. Love the way these look.

[Expert@ApexWheels]

Originally Posted by lutfy

Hi Tom,

Any reason why 18x10.5 is ET18 and not ET12 like the 19X10 ET12? I plan to run 295/30/18 Continental ExtremeContact (Hoosier contingency in NASA TT) or 295/30/18 Toyo RR (as both have contingency and 1.6 credit mod tire).

Running a higher ET with wider wheel will be close to the strut. There was a suggestion to run 5mm spacer which effectively yields ET12 in the end?

Thank you in advance.

Lutfy

Definitely. 18x10.5 ET18 is a specialty fitment primarily intended for track performance. Basically, the target with this wheel was to make it an easy direct fitment in the rear in terms of offset, and then use spacers/adjustments in the front as needed to gain clearance on the inner edge.

Anytime you're creating a square rotatable fitment, you can either optimize the width and offset for the front (generally a lower offset) or for the rear (typically higher offset). I prefer offering a higher offset option for a few reasons.

-Offset can always be reduced post-purchase with spacers, but you can't increase it. Spacers are nice because different customers can run different thicknesses depending on how much clearance their car needs. If you try to clear the front suspension with wheel offset alone, you have to make a wheel with an extremely aggressive low offset for the worst-case scenario builds that then punishes all others who want to run the fitment with a milder build.

-The front of the car is generally where it is easier/more beneficial for the car to run additional camber. This is often required with various fitments and adjustability means that it can adapt to different tire configurations more easily.

-The rear of the car has less camber adjustment options that also benefit performance. The eccentric bolts aren't consistent car to car in terms of what you can get and rear camber isn't as beneficial for these cars as front camber is for the track. The alternative to dialing in rear camber to tuck a tire is rolling and pulling your rear fenders for clearance, but this mod isn't reversible and is a drastic step most owners don't want to deal with. I prefer a fitment that may need spacers up front but lets you pull the parts off at the end of the day and go back to stock if you choose to do so.

-Tom