[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

My snapshot seen from above (there was contact just before the crash)!

I'm pretty sure that Checo has clipped Sainz left rear wheel and Sainz was sent to to left on took Checo with him into the wall.

As you can see

From that overhead shot I can see more, Checo was in SAI's blindspot and both were hoping for the best which didn't work out. Checo couldn't have backed out as his front wheel was already ahead of SAI's rear wheel and of course with 55 inching left and with Herbert on the stewards it was always going to be a RI. Good shot there my friend

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by minn19

I don’t get this take either, he sniffed outside briefly and then fell right behind him. Who knows what would have happened had Perez moved a little left…..

Carlos owes Charles and Ferrari nothing, he’s fighting for future jobs.

True, Carlos doesn't owe them anything and I wish he was staying. But, had he not challenged Charlie, had he fallen in line, I don't believe the crash happens.

A likely 2-3 finish would have been great.

The whole thing reminds me of a saying. "There's no I in team,,,But there is a me."

[G30M]

so Lando helps Oscar by slowing down Perez by 1.5s, just enough for Oscar to stay ahead out of the pits.

then Oscar devours a 6 second gap (to CLC) over one lap and defends something like 20-30 laps

maybe McLaren has learnt something about strategy, also Oscar is not bad

and Lando starts 15 and finishes ahead of Max, world's gone mad

[Fillip]

Originally Posted by G30M

so Lando helps Oscar by slowing down Perez by 1.5s, just enough for Oscar to stay ahead out of the pits.

then Oscar devours a 6 second gap (to CLC) over one lap and defends something like 20-30 laps

maybe McLaren has learnt something about strategy, also Oscar is not bad

and Lando starts 15 and finishes ahead of Max, world's gone mad

It is unbelievable to see how Max's performance has dropped in the last few races. He seems to be struggling with his car lately.

[CMW33]

Originally Posted by Fillip

It is unbelievable to see how Max's performance has dropped in the last few races. He seems to be struggling with his car lately.

Yes, there’s been a lot on this recently. The RB20 has a bit of a design flaw, perhaps the floor or the suspension or both, and it’s lost the strong front end that Max needs to extract performance out of the car. And its not just turned into an understeering car, but worse: it sometimes transitions from under to oversteer in different phases of the same corner, and for some reason the performance goes away on new tires or when he really tries to hustle the car. It’s a bit of a mess.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

True, Carlos doesn't owe them anything and I wish he was staying. But, had he not challenged Charlie, had he fallen in line, I don't believe the crash happens.

A likely 2-3 finish would have been great.

The whole thing reminds me of a saying. "There's no I in team,,,But there is a me."

I still think you are mad at the wrong person. Is it not true then if Perez had not challenged Carlos, this wouldn’t have happened? At least Carlos backed out and fell in line with Charlie and avoided contact. Funny when anyone gets next to a Red Bull there is contact. I believe the stewards even said something to the effect that Perez was the one that had more of a chance/could have done more to avoid the whole situation.

Perez was seeing the red mist. He couldn’t make a pass stick against a car that had nearly zero grip anymore. Not only couldn’t he pull that off, then he gets passed in the process. I know Horner is doing his usual BS in sticking up for Perez/aka RBR drivers never do anything wrong. But, I guarantee you behind the scenes they are pissed that he didn’t just move left and take another run at Carlos in a later corner. Instead, he causes RBR tens of/hundreds (?) of thousands of dollars worth of damage tearing up another car this year.

Also, I agree, I said it in the past and I’ll say it again. I really think they are making a mistake replacing Carlos with Hammy.

[Marcoose]

Originally Posted by Fillip

It is unbelievable to see how Max's performance has dropped in the last few races. He seems to be struggling with his car lately.

Which means, no car factor, no ‘Max Factor’.

[Autobacs]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

Which means, no car factor, no ‘Max Factor’.

Must be. Makes me wonder why Toto and AM both said they would welcome Max with open arms if he decides to leave RB. It would be a good question to ask if Ferrari would be willing to dump either LeClerc or Hamilton for Max.

My sense tells me yes.

[Jbrown7403]

Certainly feels like Ferrari is going to have little trouble overtaking Red Bull for 2nd. Who would have ever predicted this 3 months ago?.
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[Marcoose]

Originally Posted by Autobacs

if Ferrari would be willing to dump either LeClerc or Hamilton for Max.

My sense tells me yes.

Totally. Ferrari are desperate for a championship. They came close twice and blew it. Hamilton only has 3-5 years in him. And Verstappen is more ruthless than Leclerc. The end justifies the means.

[NickyC]

Originally Posted by minn19

So you guys are finally admitting all the years and times Max sawing other drivers front ends off causing collisions are his fault? Especially Silverstone?

Sainz is pretty much going straight, he barely moves to the left. Sergio was pissed he couldn’t pass Charles and then got passed by Sainz. He didn’t move and allowed it to happen probably hoping it would just take Carlos out and not him to. RBR is going to have to cancel catering to pay for yet another Checo crash. I used to be a huge Sergio supporter, but the guy has just self destructed.

100%, that crash was clearly Checo’s mistake. Sainz took the spot and Checo clearly moved into him when he had the whole left side of the track. Night/day to me.

Baku never disappoints, what a race!!

[dfox]

Sainz moving left. Checo going straight. Both should have avoided the collision. The fact that Sainz had no clue what happened means he didn't use his mirrors at all, just out floating in space and cutting across the track. Checo could have seen it coming though, and should have moved.

The fact that neither driver walked away with points on their license means neither is innocent. Pretty cut and dry.

[dfox]

Ignoring the crash, incredible drive from Checo. His form compared to Max was crazy, all weekend.

Great drive from the two rookies to score points on a tough track, clear that the grid needs some new faces.

Great drive from lando, 11 places is something to celebrate.

Decent drive and great defense from Piastri. I think if Charles had gotten past him on that last stint, it would have been over, the McLaren straight line speed was too much.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by dfox

Ignoring the crash, incredible drive from Checo. His form compared to Max was crazy, all weekend.

Great drive from the two rookies to score points on a tough track, clear that the grid needs some new faces.

Great drive from lando, 11 places is something to celebrate.

Decent drive and great defense from Piastri. I think if Charles had gotten past him on that last stint, it would have been over, the McLaren straight line speed was too much.

in a normal race, checo would have won, he'd undercut piastri, piastri would under cut clc, and the clc and piastri would drive each other's tires to the ground while checo drives into the sunset

but thanks to Lando it was not to be

[Davil]

What an absolutely fantastic race. I even got to watch it live as coverage started 7:30pm here. Best race in ages. We were yelling at the screen a lot. What a wonderful season this is turning out to be.

Piastri really is the real deal. Last week and this week pulling off the best move of each race. He is getting better and better. Plus he cracks me up with his deadpan personality. Bonus points for nearly falling off the car when he got out.

I did feel bad for Checo. He was doing really well.

George did a Bradbury again. Funny.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by Davil

I did feel bad for Checo. He was doing really well.

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the way i see it he got mugged in a Ferrari sandwich. but that's how it goes with motor racing. nobody's there to wave the other guy past.

[fs1977]

I think the report from the stewards is spot on: racing incident. Both drivers could have avoided this crash, but Checo had more room to do so. I'm not really sure what to think of it. If you had multiple crashes already, wouldn't you be a bit more reserved in your actions to avoid another one? Or at least a little bit more calculated.

The difference in pace between Verstappen and Checo is puzzling. Does someone knows if there was a difference in updated parts between the two cars or was it simply down to set-up?

[M5Rick]

^ It was too late for Checo to back out as his front wheel was in front of SAI's rear inching all the time to the left, no ones admitting SAI just didn't look in his left mirror and caused the crash saying ''what happened'' repeatedly with Checo giving him a piece of his mind as he got out of his car.
Link
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/h...n-gp/10654604/

[fs1977]

Ultimately yes, but he could have backed out earlier in my opinion.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by fs1977

Ultimately yes, but he could have backed out earlier in my opinion.

Maybe but Checo saw a gap and it's racing, Ralf Schumacher had this to say about 'beginner' Sainz.
https://www.planetf1.com/news/cocky-...-crash-verdict

[fs1977]

But if you've already crashed so many times this season, cutt your losses and try again on the DRS straight. Now a strong race turns into a dissastrous one.

And if you read the article, Ralf says this:

“For whatever reason, he moved over, but Perez didn’t move to the side either. They touched each other and I say misery against misery.”

The German added: “Both have so much experience, that doesn’t have to happen so close to the end. You have to take the points.”

[Killed by Death]