[Lauren8]

Originally Posted by wb8164

They want your 992 so they can re-sell it at a high margin of profit.
You've got two keepers with the 992 and G80.
You're likely to get a similar communication or two from the dealer
sweetening the deal further.

To me, that just solidifies what a good car you have on your hands with the 992.

One thing is for sure, you're in the driver seat, so you get to call the shots if they make you
an offer you can't refuse ;^)

Thank you!!

[two_three_two]

Originally Posted by Vinknee

$2k wouldn't move the needle for me unless you're looking at getting rid of the g80, you need out of a car payment, or have something you'd like to do with the excess cash. I'd argue for the latter two I'd just sell the 911 outright. Even for an additional $8k on this deal I don't think that would be enough to get me to change out the 911 (for me, at least) unless I had another car combo I wanted to get into.

Congratulations on the stellar pairing !

nailed it. 2k doesnt even get you a set of rear tires for either of these cars. nice try though dealer!

[RockCrusher]

Originally Posted by Lauren8

Wanted to see how people are polling on this subject. Currently have G80 in the garage, along with a 992 C2. My spec'd 2024 M2 is here, can only keep two cars. 992 C2 for the M2? Please share your thoughts.

Thanks in advance

Wanted to add that I loved my Porsche 996 Turbo. If there was a Porsche dealer here in Benton County AR I'd have a 911 Carrera 4 or at least a Cayman S.

I'd hang on to my M2 and the 230i xDrive would be traded in for the Carrera 4/Cayman S.

[Dave07997S]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

I would switch only if M2 were a 6-speed manual with carbon buckets. 992 PDK offers better driving experience than M2 ZF8.

^^^^This^^^^

[OldButSmooth]

Originally Posted by Lauren8

Wanted to see how people are polling on this subject. Currently have G80 in the garage, along with a 992 C2. My spec'd 2024 M2 is here, can only keep two cars. 992 C2 for the M2? Please share your thoughts.

Thanks in advance

I certainly love my G87, however, I would lean towards keeping the Porsche. My reasoning is that the 911 will no doubt have a higher residual as the world moves to EV's. Another reason there is a certain `esprit de corps' with Porsche ownership that isn't quite there with BMW. At the end of the day listen to the universe and drive whatever floats your boat, that is after all what truly matters. Otherwise sell both and buy a motorcycle.

[MG20i]

Drop the M2. Trade the M3 for a current M5😈.
M5 family rocket and a 911......👍

[02M3ForMe]

Never been that impressed by any 992 less than a Turbo. Drove them all. They feel overpriced versus any G8x, and they ask one to make usability compromises with no significant performance payoff. 992 Carreras are depreciating more or less as normal (at least relative to their initial ADMs from a couple of years ago), so even the TCO argument goes away. I'd only buy a Carrera to check a box, assuming I had a specific affinity for the brand.

New G87s can be had for a significant discount at this time. I'd aim for 6-8% off.

[wb8164]

Just my opinion, but the 992 is a wrung or two above the G87 and can be very usable as a daily unless you need "true" back seats.

Again, my opinion, the 992, in this case, and the 911 in general performs greater than the sum of its parts. It might not be the fastest, most luxurious, most exclusive car you can buy, but it does everything well and provides great feedback. The 911 has grown bigger over the years and adapted to address emission and fuel efficiency requirements, yet still remains a "911".

[laughMan]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

New G87s can be had for a significant discount at this time. I'd aim for 6-8% off.

Please let me know which dealership I can get 6-8% off! I would drop my order and fly to that dealership right now!

And as much as I think M2 is a good bargain, I would keep the 992 if it is my choice. I may trade in the G80 for the G87 thou

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by twlai

Please let me know which dealership I can get 6-8% off! I would drop my order and fly to that dealership right now!

I'm at over $5k off a West Coast car on the ground. It's ZB. I've already had 3 G87s and currently considering other options purely for variety. I would've already pulled the trigger otherwise. I'll ping you if I decide not to take it.

And as much as I think M2 is a good bargain, I would keep the 992 if it is my choice. I may trade in the G80 for the G87 thou

I highly recommend driving both. 992 Carrera is a pretty tame experience for $140k properly optioned. A G87 for half that will perform the same and is far more usable. Significant parts of the ownership experience are better, too, with covered maintenance and more service centers. You lose the handsome 992.1 body (albeit boring in non-Aerokit, non-GT trims) and some steering feel when you choose the G8x, and you'll probably see more depreciation in the long run (3+ years).

I've had multiple 992 Turbo S, and that's the only non-GT 992 that feels like a proper upgrade over the G8x. Everything else feels like settling, basically what you buy to say you have a Porsche 911. I'd easily take a 718 GT4 over any 992 south of a Turbo. Much more interesting driving experience.

[JK479]

Originally Posted by Lauren8

Wanted to see how people are polling on this subject. Currently have G80 in the garage, along with a 992 C2. My spec'd 2024 M2 is here, can only keep two cars. 992 C2 for the M2? Please share your thoughts.

Thanks in advance

Recently sold my carrera 4. Thinking I’d do the same. Now I’m just waiting the the 2025 992.2


I sold waaaay too early. Probably going to miss out on spring driving unless I find a bridge car.

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

I'm at over $5k off a West Coast car on the ground. It's ZB. I've already had 3 G87s and currently considering other options purely for variety. I would've already pulled the trigger otherwise. I'll ping you if I decide not to take it.

Definitely seems like West Coast is a soft market for the G87

[robopp]

Originally Posted by M2siast

Link to the ad of the car?

Here’s one that’s being advertised for $750 off msrp. I’d have to guess if you were a serious buyer they’d come down much lower.

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/link/369173609

I’ve seen cars advertised for $4k off msrp on cargurus too, which again is a starting point, but they go quick. There are 57 cars within a 500 mile radius of me. 75% of those listings have actual pictures so they’re actually available. Some of those vehicles have been on the lot for over 2 months too! As BMW continues to pump out M2’s the market will continue to saturated and the prices will continue to fall.

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by robopp

Here’s one that’s being advertised for $750 off msrp. I’d have to guess if you were a serious buyer they’d come down much lower.

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/link/369173609

I’ve seen cars advertised for $4k off msrp on cargurus too, which again is a starting point, but they go quick. There are 57 cars within a 500 mile radius of me. 75% of those listings have actual pictures so they’re actually available. Some of those vehicles have been on the lot for over 2 months too! As BMW continues to pump out M2’s the market will continue to saturated and the prices will continue to fall.

lol first review of that dealer in the link is that they bait n' switch people so that $ off msrp is likely not a real thing, you can't take online listings at face value cause of this scummy dealer tactic. Unfortunately they do it because it works, people get mentally committed to buying it so when the paperwork comes out with BS fees and add-ons that bring the price back to ~msrp or even higher they just sign the dotted line cause 'that car is mine'.

[akhbhaat]

I've had several Porsches, including various generations of the Carrera S, the 981+718 GT4, and the 997 GT3. And...

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

I highly recommend driving both. 992 Carrera is a pretty tame experience for $140k properly optioned. (...) I'd easily take a 718 GT4 over any 992 south of a Turbo. Much more interesting driving experience.

200% this ^^^

The GT cars are great (at least if you can track them on occasion) but I didn't particularly like any of the Carreras I owned, to the point I wouldn't buy another. It's an absolutely perfect car for a very specific type of buyer i.e. a daily driver for a 55 year old executive who enjoys driving and already has three other cars. Most people considering one don't actually fit that profile. They're really not exciting enough to be a weekend car for a hardcore enthusiast, and are probably still too compromised for most people to get away with daily driving. And then, of course, there's price and value.

I'd even say this can be extended to several other 911 generations including the 997 Carrera/S. There's a common misconception that the 911 used to be a hard-edged sports car until it bloated into a more relaxed grand tourer (the 997 is the usual cut-off), and I thought the same myself until I actually owned a few. In truth, I think that sentiment is really taken out of context; everything built back then was less refined compared to most of today's cars. I owned a 997 C2S and E46 concurrently and relative to the BMWs of that era, the 997 didn't feel particularly "raw" or hardcore at all...and a 997 vibes and drives like a country club cruiser compared to something like an S2000 or Lotus Elise (produced concurrently). I honestly liked the E46 more; the 997 was a better driver's car on technicalities like inputs, but the E46 was more flexible, didn't take itself as seriously, and was more fun to do stupid things in--just like comparing an M2 and 992 today. Or, to shift the frame of reference a bit, drive a 987 Cayman R back to back with to a garden variety 997 and there are strong echoes of what you will feel when comparing a 992 to a 718 GT4 or GTS.

Regardless: in this case I personally would swap the 992 for a GT4, or trade the G80 for a G87. G80 + G87 doesn't make a ton of sense to me. JMO.

[robopp]

Originally Posted by akhbhaat

I've had several Porsches, including various generations of the Carrera S, the 981+718 GT4, and the 997 GT3. And...



200% this ^^^

The GT cars are great (at least if you can track them on occasion) but I didn't particularly like any of the Carreras I owned, to the point I wouldn't buy another. It's an absolutely perfect car for a very specific type of buyer i.e. a daily driver for a 55 year old executive who enjoys driving and already has three other cars. Most people considering one don't actually fit that profile. They're really not exciting enough to be a weekend car for a hardcore enthusiast, and are probably still too compromised for most people to get away with daily driving. And then, of course, there's price and value.

I'd even say this can be extended to several other 911 generations including the 997 Carrera/S. There's a common misconception that the 911 used to be a hard-edged sports car until it bloated into a more relaxed grand tourer (the 997 is the usual cut-off), and I thought the same myself until I actually owned a few. In truth, I think that sentiment is really taken out of context; everything built back then was less refined compared to most of today's cars. I owned a 997 C2S and E46 concurrently and relative to the BMWs of that era, the 997 didn't feel particularly "raw" or hardcore at all...and a 997 vibes and drives like a country club cruiser compared to something like an S2000 or Lotus Elise (produced concurrently). I honestly liked the E46 more; the 997 was a better driver's car on technicalities like inputs, but [...]

Interesting. I have a completely opposite view of my 992 Carrera T. It’s the most engaging vehicle I’ve driven and always an experience. The precision of the entire vehicle is out of this world good! The manual transmission and clutch are pure bliss. The steering is so much better than any modern BMW I’ve driven. The power delivery and being able to always put it down with 305 tires and all that weight in the rear. How lightweight it feels compared to modern cars. The noises! My god the noises the motor makes behind me, coupled with the lightweight glass and almost no sound insulation. I hear every rock hit everything and I cringe evertime, but it’s just a car so f-it. I love that I can use almost all of the car without going to jail. My X3MC is just too much for normal roads. ~400hp pushing 3200lbs with three pedals is so much more fun.

[ChiTownM]

What previous poster said, 911 T manual is exactly what I would recommend. It is a very engaging car and the combination of analog and digital dash is much better executed, I still like buttons for some things in the car……GT cars are another step up and hardcore, therefore less of a daily. If you need brute power and acceleration, anything less than a Turbo (S) will not do it. The 911 has so many choices and with 911 prices going up significantly every year, the depreciation will most likely be better than the M2 and M3. All great cars!
Tman

[BRAKE!]

I get the gist that you already know what to do based on the responses. The G87, while a great car, is likely to be too similar to a G80. A bit redundant to have both. If you are bored with the 992 however, how about trading that in for another Pcar? This way you’ll still maintain 2 different experiences.

[akhbhaat]

Originally Posted by robopp

Interesting. I have a completely opposite view of my 992 Carrera T. It’s the most engaging vehicle I’ve driven and always an experience. The precision of the entire vehicle is out of this world good! The manual transmission and clutch are pure bliss. The steering is so much better than any modern BMW I’ve driven. The power delivery and being able to always put it down with 305 tires and all that weight in the rear. How lightweight it feels compared to modern cars. The noises! My god the noises the motor makes behind me, coupled with the lightweight glass and almost no sound insulation. I hear every rock hit everything and I cringe evertime, but it’s just a car so f-it. I love that I can use almost all of the car without going to jail. My X3MC is just too much for normal roads. ~400hp pushing 3200lbs with three pedals is so much more fun.

Well, the T is edgier than a base or S, so I can see that. I've only driven the 991.2 version briefly and I genuinely thought that it was the 911 to buy if you weren't going to spring for a GT3.

To be clear, I'm not trying to argue that the 911 (let alone the T) isn't a fine driver's car in its own right, because it is--it easily stacks up against the best BMW and others have to offer. The problem is that for me, personally, the GT4 exists at the same price point...which takes everything you like about the 911 and turns it up to 11 (except acceleration and raw stopping power; rear engine cars are unbeatable there). It's even lighter, sharper (gearbox and steering alike), and more raucous...the trade off is that "it's not a 911" (for some people this matters) and is much more of a pain in the ass to live with. NVH is an obvious one (my better half wouldn't even ride in it), but there are also ground clearance issues and it's a bit shouty so you end up attracting a lot of clowns which gets old, fast. That's the beauty of it -- there's something for everybody. One person's sweet spot is somebody else's "not enough" or "too much." Just depends on what you like and what you're using it for.

But since this is an M2 board, I need to bring up the one issue I have with all Porsches, GT car or not, which is that they are very clinical and precise. This isn't always a good thing: on track, or ripping an open B-road/canyon at speed: phenomenal, love it. Lower speeds, though, normal roads, deep inside the performance envelope? They tend to feel overly composed and sterile. They're just not predisposed to kicking the rear end around or giving you much to think about when you're wandering around some low speed corners. The M cars are arguably better set up for the majority of real world driving situations--not just because of a back seat, less pretentious badge, or more approachable price point, but also because BMW deliberately tuned them that way. Punchy motors, aggressive steering ratio, and a tail happy chassis. This is why I like having both and will continue to have both. They're actually very complementary.

[shehatezme]

Originally Posted by akhbhaat

I've had several Porsches, including various generations of the Carrera S, the 981+718 GT4, and the 997 GT3. And...



200% this ^^^

The GT cars are great (at least if you can track them on occasion) but I didn't particularly like any of the Carreras I owned, to the point I wouldn't buy another. It's an absolutely perfect car for a very specific type of buyer i.e. a daily driver for a 55 year old executive who enjoys driving and already has three other cars. Most people considering one don't actually fit that profile. They're really not exciting enough to be a weekend car for a hardcore enthusiast, and are probably still too compromised for most people to get away with daily driving. And then, of course, there's price and value.

I'd even say this can be extended to several other 911 generations including the 997 Carrera/S. There's a common misconception that the 911 used to be a hard-edged sports car until it bloated into a more relaxed grand tourer (the 997 is the usual cut-off), and I thought the same myself until I actually owned a few. In truth, I think that sentiment is really taken out of context; everything built back then was less refined compared to most of today's cars. I owned a 997 C2S and E46 concurrently and relative to the BMWs of that era, the 997 didn't feel particularly "raw" or hardcore at all...and a 997 vibes and drives like a country club cruiser compared to something like an S2000 or Lotus Elise (produced concurrently). I honestly liked the E46 more; the 997 was a better driver's car on technicalities like inputs, but [...]

I feel the same way. A few years ago I shopped for a 997 gts and 987 boxter spyder and left feeling that they weren’t as raw as my modded s2000 that I still have today. Before I bought my g87 (6mt), I also cross shopped a bunch of 991.2 c2s and came out feeling the same. Inputs are sharper but some how felt a bit boring. I received a 992 Carrera T allocation late last year after a long wait but passed. I had a go in a 991 gt3 lol and that changed my perspective on what I needed. The T is a good car but a compromise car (5th car for me) at $145k after options so I could take my kids with me on fun drives. The m2 will serve that purpose for me at half the price while still giving me a similar driving experience. I will work hard to add a gt3 to my garage this year. Once you drive a GT car it is hard to go back!

[Lauren8]

A little update on this thread....someone throw a great number for my 2022 C2, and getting $2K off the 2024 M2, I am doing it today. Happy Monday folks!

[Geighty7]

Originally Posted by Lauren8

A little update on this thread....someone throw a great number for my 2022 C2, and getting $2K off the 2024 M2, I am doing it today. Photo to follow. Happy Monday folks!

Congrats, and solid move! Mind letting us know the spec you ended up with on your G87?

I couldn’t get below MSRP on my second G87, but then again it was the sought out carbon pack combined with a 6MT. Curious if you got 2k off a similar spec?