[SW19]

Originally Posted by hufington

You are not alone. I really disliked the "tablet" in the middle trend and yet it gets worse with the free-standing screens. As we have seen a short while ago, BMW geniuses are trying now to use the whole bottom of the windshield as a screen.

It’s actually going to be even worse with the removal of the idrive knob with idrive 9.So most likely the LCI won’t have the idrive knob.

[hufington]

Originally Posted by SW19

It’s actually going to be even worse with the removal of the idrive knob with idrive 9.So most likely the LCI won’t have the idrive knob.

We already lost the shifter, soon all buttons will disappear until someone brings them back as a "retro" trend. It is very distractive to search menu items on the screen to change temps, etc. especially with all that glare!

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by Ravenseal

Sounds like you want a base model 2009 911 Carrera. Lol.

There is nothing wrong with a 997.2 regardless of what model it is so long as it is a manual.

Edit, BTW, a base 997.2 weighs something like 3200 lbs with 345 NA HP. Nothing to scoff at, especially the weight.

Originally Posted by SW19

It’s actually going to be even worse with the removal of the idrive knob with idrive 9.So most likely the LCI won’t have the idrive knob.

Agreed!

[zero21]

Originally Posted by 10"

I started off thinking I could buy this as a 2nd car but I just can’t. The giant iPad screen is absolutely absurd—against all my values in motoring!

I wear a manual wind watch, drive only stick shifts, use a film camera from 1976, and listen to vinyl records—-owning a car with a giant electronic dashboard is like sending Dracula into a nightclub dressed in skinny jeans and golden glitter—twerking.

*crosses G87 off list of 2nd cars*

Hope all of you who do buy this car enjoy it though! ⚡️

What does a screen have to do with driving? The wheels are on the road, not the code in the computer.

If you listen to vinyl records and use film cameras you must really enjoy poor quality and outdated tech. Do you have rabbit ear antennas for TV? How are you even connected to the internet?

I'm only saying this because you stereotyped yourself as a curmudgeon stuck in the 70's...rather needlessly I might add.

Absolutely nothing up to this point has changed with the car including the screen that was shown five months ago...why is it a surprise now?

[Ravenseal]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

There is nothing wrong with a 997.2 regardless of what model it is so long as it is a manual.

Edit, BTW, a base 997.2 weighs something like 3200 lbs with 345 NA HP. Nothing to scoff at, especially the weight.

I didn’t mean it condescendingly. I just know a lot of people who say the same things about themselves and they all drive older Porsches. Lol.

[zero21]

Originally Posted by Ravenseal

I didn’t mean it condescendingly. I just know a lot of people who say the same things about themselves and they all drive older Porsches. Lol.

I searched long and hard for a clean example of one of these in my area, and changed my focus to a new car - M2.

I'll always be in the market for an NA Carrera S with manual transmission. Preferably one with the factory power kit as rare as they are.

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by Ravenseal

I didn’t mean it condescendingly. I just know a lot of people who say the same things about themselves and they all drive older Porsches. Lol.

I see.

They are coveted for a reason, like older M cars. A fully analog era that will never return. Also why their values are continually increasing. Not everyone desires the full on digital experience and there is nothing wrong with that.

Originally Posted by zero21

I searched long and hard for a clean example of one of these in my area, and changed my focus to a new car - M2.

I'll always be in the market for an NA Carrera S with manual transmission. Preferably one with the factory power kit as rare as they are.

Sounds like you want a GTS. They are rather scarce especially with the manual. These days they are bringing silly money. You could have two G87s.

[zero21]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

I see.

They are coveted for a reason, like older M cars. A fully analog era that will never return. Also why their values are continually increasing. Not everyone desires the full on digital experience and there is nothing wrong with that.





Sounds like you wanted a GTS. They are rather scarce especially with the manual. These days they are bringing silly money. You could have two G87s.

Not a fan of the GTS models. I know everyone is but Carrera S w/power kit and standard 18in wheels

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by zero21

Not a fan of the GTS models. I know everyone is but Carrera S w/power kit and standard 18in wheels

Pretty sure that the 19s were standard on the C2S. A C2S with the power kit is a needle in a haystack. I am almost certain anyone that has one will probably want more than a GTS.

[zero21]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

Pretty sure that the 19s were standard on the C2S. A C2S with the power kit is a needle in a haystack. I am almost certain anyone that has one will probably want more than a GTS.

Yes my mistake on wheel size. I heard one at Daytona when I was 25 in '09 and will never forget the difference. I believe the power bump was to 385 and extra 10 torque.

Edit: year might be off one or two - a lot of races since them. Could've been '10.

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by zero21

Yes my mistake on wheel size. I heard one at Daytona when I was 25 in '09 and will never forget the difference. I believe the power bump was to 385 and extra 10 torque.

Edit: year might be off one or two - a lot of races since them. Could've been '10.

385 was the standard hp for the S model. The power kit is what was also on the GTS and took it to 408bhp.

https://drives.today/posts/196/tech/...teve-hall.html

[zero21]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

385 was the standard hp for the S model. The power kit is what was also on the GTS and took it to 408bhp.

https://drives.today/posts/196/tech/...teve-hall.html

I thought it was a bit more but 20-25 sounds about right. Jeez it sounded good. Only one guy at the corral had a powerkit. I think he said it was expensive too like 12-15k.

[M Division]

Originally Posted by Ravenseal

I see. No complaints from me in the US! I do think the sunroof is worth the extra 48lbs just to brighten up the cabin. It also lets more exhaust noise in when you have it ajar.

I have the sunroof on G42, love it!

[jm490]

This car is growing on me so much since it launched in that hideous baby blue color. I would take one of these in a heartbeat In dravit gray if it was offered. But maybe I’ll take one in bsm in a manual to compliment the f90 seems perfect side by side. I hope the driver reviews are great because I think this car is going to look super cool on the road with those wide hips and wheel arches and strong body lines on the side.

[sl0m0]

Originally Posted by jm490

This car is growing on me so much since it launched in that hideous baby blue color. I would take one of these in a heartbeat In dravit gray if it was offered. But maybe I’ll take one in bsm in a manual to compliment the f90 seems perfect side by side. I hope the driver reviews are great because I think this car is going to look super cool on the road with those wide hips and wheel arches and strong body lines on the side.

The g87 would be sweet in davit gray! The car has a few weird features, but nothing we weren't going to modify anyways.

[LTJohn]

Originally Posted by Tag

I disklike them because of how poorly they are integrated on the dash. Looks like a widescreen monitor on a desk. Also don't understand why there's no traditional round gauge option. It's the simple things...

Same here. You hit the nail on the head. No racing car would have anything like this, all the reflections and over-styled gauges. They put the key driving parameter (RPMs) for a manual tranny...way out on the edge of the cluster. They must have run out of space on the 36" wide screen......

[deladude]

Originally Posted by LTJohn

They put the key driving parameter (RPMs) for a manual tranny...way out on the edge of the cluster. They must have run out of space on the 36" wide screen......

...

I guess you didnt watch the video

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by LTJohn

Same here. You hit the nail on the head. No racing car would have anything like this, all the reflections and over-styled gauges. They put the key driving parameter (RPMs) for a manual tranny...way out on the edge of the cluster. They must have run out of space on the 36" wide screen......

Define "no racing car"? I believe that statement is not correct. Here is Austin Dillon's dash

[GregW / Oregon]

Originally Posted by 10"

I started off thinking I could buy this as a 2nd car but I just can’t. The giant iPad screen is absolutely absurd—against all my values in motoring!

I wear a manual wind watch, drive only stick shifts, use a film camera from 1976, and listen to vinyl records—-owning a car with a giant electronic dashboard is like sending Dracula into a nightclub dressed in skinny jeans and golden glitter—twerking.

*crosses G87 off list of 2nd cars*

Hope all of you who do buy this car enjoy it though! ⚡️

I'll be 75 in 3 months, but I'm not that stuck in the past. I too drive a manual, and dislike the video game instrument panel graphics, but the size, clarity and information the screen provides outweighs any negatives for me. My '15 M4 is 3G so can't get live traffic anymore, another advantage of moving on. You will be crossing a lot of other cars off your list, too, because that's the direction the industry is heading now.

[StickyPickle]

Originally Posted by jm490

This car is growing on me so much since it launched in that hideous baby blue color. I would take one of these in a heartbeat In dravit gray if it was offered. But maybe I’ll take one in bsm in a manual to compliment the f90 seems perfect side by side. I hope the driver reviews are great because I think this car is going to look super cool on the road with those wide hips and wheel arches and strong body lines on the side.

Dravit and a proper blue would’ve really suited this car well

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by StickyPickle

Dravit and a proper blue would’ve really suited this car well

If individual paint was not going to be an option, it should have been given a true standout color as part of the lineup (and no, ZB is not a true standout).

[StickyPickle]

Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon

I'll be 75 in 3 months, but I'm not that stuck in the past. I too drive a manual, and dislike the video game instrument panel graphics, but the size, clarity and information the screen provides outweighs any negatives for me. My '15 M4 is 3G so can't get live traffic anymore, another advantage of moving on. You will be crossing a lot of other cars off your list, too, because that's the direction the industry is heading now.

Although I would’ve preferred to have premium gauges in the cockpit, there’s no denying the screen graphical interface itself is beautiful. Like many, I just wish BMW wasn’t so lazy with the integration (or lack there of). It’s my biggest issue with this vehicle and they could’ve quelled much of the disdain for the screen had they integrated it better.