[M3EATERS]

It clearly states the reason why they will not release a manual version….

[DrewNewM2]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Those days are over

Only total morons shop at stealerships

That’s probably like 99% of buyers that are total morons then. Where do smart people buy cars? Broker?

[TargaM2]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

If there was ever going to be a manual AWD it would have been a GTR back then. It just doesn’t work for higher powered AWD with manual. Manual is slower in every aspect anyway😄 I just wish they would have kept the DCT and not gone ZF but oh well

Totally agree. Loss of DCT was definitely a premature & bad move, proof of that is that virtually all other manufacturers of performance cars are continuing with DCT development & implementation.

[solstice]

2026? BMW if you’re listening, that will be perfect timing to bring back euro delivery, don’t you think? With potential new tariffs on new cars, can this be a loop hole? Fingers crossed

[Kid Eh]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Those days are over

Only total morons shop at stealerships

Wow you’re so edgy. Where the fuck are you supposed to buy a new car? 🤦🏻‍♂️

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by DrewNewM2

That’s probably like 99% of buyers that are total morons then. Where do smart people buy cars? Broker?

Smart people don’t use a broker per say, they just know how to go about it logically, and they know how to negotiate accordingly, and they know how to walk if they don’t get what they want.

And then they know that if first they don’t succeeded they try and try again until they get exactly what they want and what they’re after.

In a nutshell, knowledge is horsepower and where there’s a will there’s a good outcome.

[IanH]

I emailed 5 dealers, pit them against each other, got 3k (5%) off sticker agreed and car ordered within 48hrs without ever setting foot in a dealership and investing around 1hour of total time.

Yes, I could have invested a month duration and 10 hours time to get 10% off... but it wouldn't have been worth it.

[Kid Eh]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

🤣

I’d say you’re the one that’s actually edgy

At a traditional dealership that doesn’t go above and beyond to rip people off

Define a traditional dealership. What the fuck are you even going on about?

[JK479]

Originally Posted by samsamdar

Tell me about it bro - I’d kill for a 6MT xDrive S58. Kinda sad they didn’t even consider developing one but I guess it’s fate was sealed when the G80 didn’t come with it

Shame- it would show those wrx drivers who is boss king

[ednir98]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Those days are over

Only total morons shop at stealerships

Reminds me of this listing I saw on Tuesday. Insane.

[JABCAT]

Originally Posted by IanH

I emailed 5 dealers, pit them against each other, got 3k (5%) off sticker agreed and car ordered within 48hrs without ever setting foot in a dealership and investing around 1hour of total time.

Yes, I could have invested a month duration and 10 hours time to get 10% off... but it wouldn't have been worth it.

Exactly. I haven't set foot in a dealership to buy a vehicle in over 15 years & 20+ vehicles ago. I contact several dealerships in my area, out-of-state, etc. and tell them what I want & how much I'm willing to pay. It's that simple. I don't "negotiate" back and forth as it's a waste of my time. My financing is always secured ahead of time & I'll give the dealership the opportunity to match or beat it.

Re: a manual x-drive. The illusion on car forums that manual transmissions will have a high take rate is just that, an illusion. In reality a minute % of buyers will choose a manual transmission vehicle.

This is good timing for me. I will probably be ready to move on from my current M2 by 2026, and if I don't go over to Porsche, will look at this.

[MG20i]

Originally Posted by veenut28

When does the M2 Touring production start? Lol

M2 Shooting Brake.....

YES PLEASE!!

[dreamworks]

Originally Posted by ednir98

This is further proof that BMW is dropping the manual. The G series manual is already a carryover from the F. The market is way too small to develop a new/improved transmission, they'd never make their development cost back.

Why would they need to develop a new 6MT gearbox if they use the same base S58 with 406 tq and M x-drive? It is really just a regulatory certification cost/issue for another configuration that BMW does not want to invest in for such a small market that wants 6MT and M x-drive (aka-folks who live in the snow belt)

[IanH]

Originally Posted by dreamworks

Why would they need to develop a new 6MT gearbox if they use the same base S58 with 406 tq and M x-drive? It is really just a regulatory certification cost/issue for another configuration that BMW does not want to invest in for such a small market that wants 6MT and M x-drive (aka-folks who live in the snow belt)

The upper bound of load on the clutch and gearbox is much higher when the wheels essentially will not spin. "develop a new gearbox" might be a hyperbolic description to some extent but it would have to be a significantly uprated box with a stronger clutch and maybe other parts too in order to be up to the standards for release.

[ednir98]

Originally Posted by dreamworks

Why would they need to develop a new 6MT gearbox if they use the same base S58 with 406 tq and M x-drive? It is really just a regulatory certification cost/issue for another configuration that BMW does not want to invest in for such a small market that wants 6MT and M x-drive (aka-folks who live in the snow belt)

If they could make the 6MT work in the xDrive G87 without any changes to it they would do it. The fact that they didn't tells you that something has to be changed and they aren't going to invest in it. Any single change in components would require lots of engineering time and rigorous validation, the ROI just isn't there.

It's really that simple.

[rixY]

I literally just got a 23 M240i xDrive because I am in Michigan!!! Will definitely be considering this in a few years, maybe once they hit pre-owned.

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by ednir98

Reminds me of this listing I saw on Tuesday. Insane.

We have the same in the UK in terms of the MRSP but they knock £15,000 off them to sell and that's without haggling.

[BimmerFix]

Originally Posted by Wills2

We have the same in the UK in terms of the MRSP but they knock £15,000 off them to sell and that's without haggling.

Yeah EU and UK get boned on car prices and taxes , but usually get a very high % discount on the car without even negotiating

But ill still take our situation here in the states

[two_three_two]

Originally Posted by ednir98

If they could make the 6MT work in the xDrive G87 without any changes to it they would do it. The fact that they didn't tells you that something has to be changed and they aren't going to invest in it. Any single change in components would require lots of engineering time and rigorous validation, the ROI just isn't there.

It's really that simple.

do they need to re-federalize the powertrain with the addition of two driven wheels? this alone would disqualify the manual too im sure..

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by TargaM2

Totally agree. Loss of DCT was definitely a premature & bad move, proof of that is that virtually all other manufacturers of performance cars are continuing with DCT development & implementation.

What does a DCT do that you can't do with a modern ZF 8HP auto?

The modem ZF all the way back to the 6 speed ZF 6HP in an E90 has proven to be one hell of a box. Total lock up and low rpm, engine braking, rev matching, super fast shifts, no lift shifting, etc.

Not only does it do what a DCT can do but you can change shift speed from a snap your neck fast to a lazy luxury car feel.

The ZF killed the DCT.

[jad4ca]

Originally Posted by IanH

the m4 is 4300 lb,

last I checked xdrive in 2 series only adds 121lb, which would put the M2awd sub 4k still. around 3900-3950

I’ve never seen an M4 listed as anything over 4k lbs; where are you seeing 4,300 lbs?

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by BimmerFix

Yeah EU and UK get boned on car prices and taxes , but usually get a very high % discount on the car without even negotiating

But ill still take our situation here in the states

If you prefer to pay $98,000 rather than $78,000 then good luck to you.