[Quadruple VANOS]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

It’s crazy how you can get almost 2 M2’s for the price of a GTS.

My M2 spec is priced at $69,850. My 718 GTS specs out to $110,270. Doesn’t seem like a comparison that has real world relevance.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

My M2 spec is priced at $69,850. My 718 GTS specs out to $110,270. Doesn’t seem like a comparison that has real world relevance.

1) “almost” is a key adjective or qualifier
2) a slightly used M2 sold on BAT with buckets for low 60s so theoretically you could avoid the $5k fee and get a very low mileage, well optioned M2 for low 60s or a new one for 65. I’ve seen a couple unsold here for that price.
3) factor in a likely ADM and tax which here is 7.5% and OTD it’s 2x the base M2 price quite easily.

And I am seeing $118k as the low end for sticker new GTS around here before ADM. $120k with OTD around $135k is not out of the question so compared to a reasonable M2 OTD of 70 that’s ALMOST twice the price.

$118k GTS - OTD $135k
$68k M2 - OTD $73k

Go to your local Porsche dealer and see if you can get one without ADM. Taxes alone puts it at near double.

I’ve looked at a dozen GTS and they’re all above $117k.

[abrandonment]

Deep passion for how other people may choose to spend their money.. in particular from someone calling himself 'Carefree' -- most peculiar.

This thread is full of people.. a significant majority of whom appreciated the comparison. Unhinged to be so bothered by it.

[dmboone25]

What is the general consensus on the stock M2 sound?

I wasn’t a fan of how the S55 sounded in my F80, and I’m not sure how different the S58 is (somewhat in the same range, at least based on YouTube videos) but I’ve never heard one revved in anger personally.

The stock sound of my 718 Spyder was abysmal. An inconel OAP / rear section swap made a considerable difference, but it wasn’t cheap.

EDIT - I’m trying to get myself a Spyder RS, because that’s the REAL GT engine for this platform…cost be damned.

[abrandonment]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

What is the general consensus on the stock M2 sound?

I wasn’t a fan of how the S55 sounded in my F80, and I’m not sure how different the S58 is (somewhat in the same range, at least based on YouTube videos) but I’ve never heard one revved in anger personally.

The stock sound of my 718 Spyder was abysmal. An inconel OAP / rear section swap made a considerable difference, but it wasn’t cheap.

Sound has always been one of those wildly subjective takes, and you see it all over with the M2, ranging from it sounds incredible to.. oh my god why did they neuter it.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by abrandonment

Sound has always been one of those wildly subjective takes, and you see it all over with the M2, ranging from it sounds incredible to.. oh my god why did they neuter it.

My pops and my wife both have OG M2s, and they sound great. I don’t think that car is underpowered but could benefit from a more sophisticated suspension setup and wider rubber.

The new M2 is a more serious machine for sure - wider, longer, more powerful. But (hopefully) still small enough to be a laugh.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Carefree

Not necessarily and/or exclusively.
Actually the terms I posted are commonly used.
You’re a living example of the irony.

Originally Posted by dmboone25

My pops and my wife both have OG M2s, and they sound great. I don’t think that car is underpowered but could benefit from a more sophisticated suspension setup and wider rubber.

The new M2 is a more serious machine for sure - wider, longer, more powerful. But (hopefully) still small enough to be a laugh.

The new M2 is an absolute hoot
It really takes things to a much more sophisticated level of driving

You can throw the car at just about anything it just goes and goes and goes and doesn’t even whimper

And the brakes are off the chain

[abrandonment]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Can you please stop this bullshit just p.m. somebody if you wanna have a fucking BS discussion, stop whoring out the thread

Couldn't agree more. Looks like mods may be tidying up some of this mess but not exactly sure. With luck this post will be deleted too, as it wouldn't be relevant anymore if they cleaned house.

[rji57]

As owner of 2019 M2C 6spd and 2024 Boxster s 6 spd, no question M2 is a faster car, beefier feel, able to get that rear end loose easier.
718 much lighter and in my estimation a way different car- very difficult to compare.
Love them both in different ways, try to drive them in spirited way, and use as daily at times, mostly summer.
My verdict is the M2 is a more engaging drive with real feel.
Haven’t driven 2023 M2 but as it is heavier than my 19, I’ll have to get back to you on that…

[abrandonment]

Originally Posted by rji57

As owner of 2019 M2C 6spd and 2024 Boxster s 6 spd, no question M2 is a faster car, beefier feel, able to get that rear end loose easier.
718 much lighter and in my estimation a way different car- very difficult to compare.
Love them both in different ways, try to drive them in spirited way, and use as daily at times, mostly summer.
My verdict is the M2 is a more engaging drive with real feel.
Haven’t driven 2023 M2 but as it is heavier than my 19, I’ll have to get back to you on that…

Thanks for the take, would be interested in an update after you've tried the G87.

[G80indy]

Sound of the Cayman engine in driver’s seat was very fatiguing on a test drive. Related to cabin/ car design, undeniably.
Can imagine worse on a long drive….

[rji57]

Originally Posted by G80indy

Sound of the Cayman engine in driver’s seat was very fatiguing on a test drive. Related to cabin/ car design, undeniably.
Can imagine worse on a long drive….

Agree the 718 exhaust note isn’t very Porsche but performance is great!

[G80indy]

Originally Posted by rji57

Agree the 718 exhaust note isn’t very Porsche but performance is great!

Neighbor has one…. And he revs it which makes me chuckle. It does sound like a Porsche….. Like a VW!

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by G80indy

Neighbor has one…. And he revs it which makes me chuckle. It does sound like a Porsche….. Like a VW!

If it’s not a 718 GTS or 718 GT4/Soyder with the glorious flat six, to me it’s worthless

Very weak Porsches sauce at best

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

If it’s not a 718 GTS or 718 GT4/Soyder with the glorious flat six, to me it’s worthless

Very weak Porsches sauce at best

That’s right - the distinction must be made between 4 cyl base and S and even the earlier GTS and the GTS4.0/GT4/Spyder.

It’s incomprehensible that people are currently paying $100,000 for a 4 cyl Porsche. There must be some strong kool aid being served in those fancy Porsche dealerships. I mean, the “style edition” is swanky and cool, butttt…..

[G80indy]

Ok not sure about flat four… not sonorous at all…
the flat six doesn’t wow me either

[georgebmwM3]

I test drove the M2 in Germany and the 718. Both are impressive. But the price is out of control for both of those in Germany. It’s almost 10-20k more. Nevertheless, for the money, nothing beats the 6spd Camaro ZL1. That car is a beast and this is just me, I would rather take the ZL1 to the track followed by the M2 and the 718 last. Maybe it’s because the M2 had a stick. Just me. If I could afford it, I would have all three. All great cars and have their respect on the track.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by georgebmwM3

I test drove the M2 in Germany and the 718. Both are impressive. But the price is out of control for both of those in Germany. It’s almost 10-20k more. Nevertheless, for the money, nothing beats the 6spd Camaro ZL1. That car is a beast and this is just me, I would rather take the ZL1 to the track followed by the M2 and the 718 last. Maybe it’s because the M2 had a stick. Just me. I can’t believe the price to performance on that car. If I could afford it, I would have all three. All great cars and have their respect on the track.

The Camaro was clearly so good it’s now dead… ☠️

[ourlee]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

If it’s not a 718 GTS or 718 GT4/Soyder with the glorious flat six, to me it’s worthless

Very weak Porsches sauce at best

You have to remember porsche and bmw are solving the fun to drive puzzle with completely different approaches:
718 Length: 172.4 inches
718 Curb Weight (Base): 3,086 pounds

[georgebmwM3]

Leave it to GM to get rid of a car that was affordable and probably one of their better cars and move the architect of that Camaro to building the Chevy Bolt!

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by ourlee

You have to remember porsche and bmw are solving the fun to drive puzzle with completely different approaches:
Length: 172.4 inches
Curb Weight (Base): 3,086 pounds

I understand that 100% but really there’s not very many cars in the same performance segment so this comparison is very valid in my opinion

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by georgebmwM3

Leave it to GM to get rid of a car that was affordable and probably one of their better cars and move the architect of that Camaro to building the Chevy Bolt!

Clearly the writing is all over on the walls at Government Motors…

You can thank their lost leader, Mary