[ourlee]

Just chatted in person with the local corvette guru. He told me if I ordered a c8, he would give me a $3k or so discount. That’s the first guy who told me he’d discount an order. This is significant because even though there are tons of C8s on lots now, there are no base interior Z51 mag ride verts. ($85k)

[baron95]

I mean, C8, 718 GTS and M2 are all phenomenal cars. I’m sure I’d be happy with any of the 3.

It’s jus that with the M2 BMW hit a lot of the key notes.

- BMW just hit peak reliability - see the CR and JD Powel threads.

- it is great tech with iD8, adaptive suspension and eLSD standard, I open it and start it with my Apple Watch.

- It’s priced right. Produced in decent enough volumes that dealers can’t easily gouge you.

- It makes more power than advertised.

- it started life benefiting from the huge G8x aftermarket support.

- it can sit 4 on local short trips. Yes, I have had 4 adults in it - no one complained.

- It handles well enough to be fun, and is easier to do slight tail outs than the other 2.

So 3 great cars - one just ticked a few more boxes for me.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

It’s so interesting how different we can all be.

I always felt like the V8 in the E92 was a bit of a “lazy” revving machine, as opposed to the straight 6 in the E46 M3 / Z4MC. Those cars always seemed more frantic to me, and in a good way.

But can absolutely respect the love for the last N/A M car too.

My E92 ///M3’s were my least favorite ///M cars. I enjoyed my E46 and F82 ///M’s way more.

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I personally wouldn’t consider a Cayman in any form over an M2; I prefer the 911 silhouette. I like the GT4 and RS versions a lot (…and they are fantastic cars), but it’s purely an aesthetic thing for me. I wouldn’t want to own one. It would be the ///M2 all day.

I agree with this. But for me, the GT4 is the only modern Porsche that remotely interests me. Great size and dynamics, and for some reason, the douche image just isn't there in the way it is with so many modern Porsche products.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Neusser

I agree with this. But for me, the GT4 is the only modern Porsche that remotely interests me. Great size and dynamics, and for some reason, the douche image just isn't there in the way it is with so many modern Porsche products.

I can see that. You’re not the only Porsche fan that shares such a sentiment. For me, the 992 is more attractive so that’s the direction I went. Two years in with my C2S and I couldn’t be happier.

[abrandonment]

Beautiful car.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by abrandonment

Beautiful car.

Thanks bro!

[abrandonment]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Thanks bro!

I labored over committing to a Chalk 992, I wanted the base but couldn't live without a MT. Can't get that without going up to the S, but with the options I wanted, it almost made sense to get the GTS. All the sudden my $120k car was going to be $150k.. that plus the wait was more than I could make sense of.

We'll see if I live to regret it.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by abrandonment

I labored over committing to a Chalk 992, I wanted the base but couldn't live without a MT. Can't get that without going up to the S, but with the options I wanted, it almost made sense to get the GTS. All the sudden my $120k car was going to be $150k.. that plus the wait was more than I could make sense of.

We'll see if I live to regret it.

Haha! My MT Carrera S was $154k before my 5% off MSRP. Thankfully I knew somebody who knew somebody willing to hook me up during the thick of $30k ADM’s on Carrera S’. I waited a full calendar year for my car from V200 order status to receiving the keys.

[nomoracin]

the driver kept crossing over the double yellows. that’s a nono!

[///M TOWN]

Great review IMO

The 718 has aged quite well

Huge compliments to BMW on G87 M2

[JEM3]

Seeing a lot of comments about the GTS / GT4 being double the cost of the M2. Yet, haven't seen much mentioned that resale of the GTS / GT4 will be far stronger than the M2. Just my .02 cents.

[Adler11th]

Originally Posted by JEM3

Seeing a lot of comments about the GTS / GT4 being double the cost of the M2. Yet, haven't seen much mentioned that resale of the GTS / GT4 will be far stronger than the M2. Just my .02 cents.

It’s a bit too early to see where new m2 going to land. F87 comp going really strong. 20k miles 50-55k new was from 60k.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by ourlee

My fav take on the 718 (at the 9 min mark…..see what I did there?)

That car sounds awful. $78k two years ago for a T was the base price of an M3 comp x drive and an RS5. I’m not paying that kind of money for a go kart

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by JEM3

Seeing a lot of comments about the GTS / GT4 being double the cost of the M2. Yet, haven't seen much mentioned that resale of the GTS / GT4 will be far stronger than the M2. Just my .02 cents.

The M2 is so much cheaper that I don't see it mattering. Plus I like to drive my cars, and I keep them for a min. of 10 years.

The M2 is an incredible value. And it even has back seats. If it were just a tick bigger, I'd use it for a family car.

I would never own a Porsche in Germany. Vandalism and theft is a massive problem, and the thing would never leave the garage. Then again, this isn't much different with a BMW.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by JEM3

Seeing a lot of comments about the GTS / GT4 being double the cost of the M2. Yet, haven't seen much mentioned that resale of the GTS / GT4 will be far stronger than the M2. Just my .02 cents.

No doubt resale for Porsche is outstanding especially for the GT4 if you could buy one at MSRP. Even if you bought one preowned at $120k-130k you’ll make some money on it. The GTS, judging by anecdotal BAT, is holding its value depending on the miles. Regardless the fact Porsche is killing off the GTS it will probably hold or appreciate.

But there are taxes and maintenance and insurance to consider in the TCO. Depending on where you live the taxes can make up a huge delta. And if you finance, the rates are near 8% for Porsche here because they can. I’ve heard of over 9% on the 992 GT cars as new from highly qualified buyers - because, Porsche. If you buy in cash must consider opp cost of investments.

Let’s say the residual of the M2 after 3 years and 30k miles is 63%. That’s a loss of $25k. Perhaps less given the high demand.

I’d guess the Porsche would cost you about the same over the same period & miles, given higher cost of insurance, taxes, financing, and maintenance. This asssumes you actually drive it 30k miles in which case you would see some depreciation as well.

On sale from local Porsche dealers here:

2021 GTS4.0 with 10k miles: $100k - $10k down, $1.8k/mo
2023 GTS4.0 with 7k miles: $115k - $12k down, $2k/mo

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by JEM3

Seeing a lot of comments about the GTS / GT4 being double the cost of the M2. Yet, haven't seen much mentioned that resale of the GTS / GT4 will be far stronger than the M2. Just my .02 cents.

a decently optioned GTS is ~115k msrp..... you're like 15k away from being able to buy two M2, not sure resale even matters at that sort of gap

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Neusser

The M2 is so much cheaper that I don't see it mattering. Plus I like to drive my cars, and I keep them for a min. of 10 years.

The M2 is an incredible value. And it even has back seats. If it were just a tick bigger, I'd use it for a family car.

I would never own a Porsche in Germany. Vandalism and theft is a massive problem, and the thing would never leave the garage. Then again, this isn't much different with a BMW.

I’d move to a safer location or out of Germany 🇩🇪 if need be

But regardless a garage is a must anywhere you live these days specifically with a nice car

[Lucky1]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I can see that. You’re not the only Porsche fan that shares such a sentiment. For me, the 992 is more attractive so that’s the direction I went. Two years in with my C2S and I couldn’t be happier.

I felt strange and tingly after seeing that.

[JEM3]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

No doubt resale for Porsche is outstanding especially for the GT4 if you could buy one at MSRP. Even if you bought one preowned at $120k-130k you’ll make some money on it. The GTS, judging by anecdotal BAT, is holding its value depending on the miles. Regardless the fact Porsche is killing off the GTS it will probably hold or appreciate.

But there are taxes and maintenance and insurance to consider in the TCO. Depending on where you live the taxes can make up a huge delta. And if you finance, the rates are near 8% for Porsche here because they can. I’ve heard of over 9% on the 992 GT cars as new from highly qualified buyers - because, Porsche. If you buy in cash must consider opp cost of investments.

Let’s say the residual of the M2 after 3 years and 30k miles is 63%. That’s a loss of $25k. Perhaps less given the high demand.

I’d guess the Porsche would cost you about the same over the same period & miles, given higher cost of insurance, taxes, financing, and maintenance. This asssumes you actually drive it 30k miles in which case you would see some depreciation as well.

On sale from local Porsche dealers here:

2021 GTS4.0 with 10k miles: $100k - $10k down, $1.8k/mo
2023 GTS4.0 with 7k miles: $115k - $12k down, $2k/mo

I don't see demand being that high (In Chicago at least). Seems fairly easy to get one.

I think your assessment is pretty spot on. I think you will probably lose about the same, maybe a little less on the Porsche, but who knows? Car market has been whack past few years.

Regardless, it depends what you like. I'd take either one Having driven nothing but M cars for the past 12 years, I have had the itch to get a GT4.

[baron95]

I agree with this. But for me, the GT4 is the only modern Porsche that remotely interests me. Great size and dynamics, and for some reason, the douche image just isn't there in the way it is with so many modern Porsche products.

Exactly this. The Cayman has always been top 2 or 3 on my list and it was #1 once (OG GT4), but I couldn't get the allocation.

Precisely because it is not a 911. A lot of respect for the 911, but it seems to attract a bunch of posers who can't drive and are not even car guys.

The 718 GTS, in particular is an understated sublime machine. The GT4 (non-RS) dialed it up just one more notch. RS is just too much for the street - I'd be embarrassed driving it anywhere near me.

The perfect Porsche for me would be a gasoline powered Taycan - so much more beautiful and elegant than the Panamera. Wish they made one.

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

I’d move to a safer location or out of Germany ���� if need be

But regardless a garage is a must anywhere you live these days specifically with a nice car

My location is perfectly safe. I am surrounded by multi-million-euro houses.

There is no place you can drive here where some scrote won't damage your car.