Stock M4 Vert vs F10 M5

GrussGott · 04-24-2015, 09:14 PM

I went to work with an M5 today at various speeds, huge straight aways, a few wicked corners, obstacles, et al. Despite my vert, at no point did I feel uncompetitive - no way I was going to walk him, and there were a few 'ah crap he got me' moments, but overall I was pretty shocked at how evenly matched we were. I didn't know the guy and he gave me the thumbs up after about a 1/2 hour of run... I think he was pretty surprised too. The e93 would've gotten destroyed.

JonnyM3 · 04-24-2015, 09:38 PM

F10 or e60?

GrussGott · 04-24-2015, 10:38 PM

F10

jwilliams · 04-25-2015, 05:29 AM

Quite evenly matched handling wise i suppose with the added weight and unequal weight distribution of the Convertable. An F80-F82 would have had a bit more edge.

GlobalScientist · 04-25-2015, 06:51 AM

Was the top up or down? Either way cool!

dme330i · 04-25-2015, 06:59 AM

Nice! Thanks for sharing. I've wondered, similarly, how my vert would fare with various cars, including the F10.

Powerslide · 04-25-2015, 08:51 AM

That's pretty awesome to hear - having a convertible and still being able to reasonably keep up with the F10 M5!! Lots of people truly underestimate the capability and fun of a convertible. There may be a difference on the track - but on the road it's going to be rare to truly notice the added weight (in fact, the added weight on the rear wheels and resultant extra traction offsets part of the weight disadvantage...)

I went sedan this time around given my kids are much older and bigger than when I bought my E93 7 years ago - love my sedan but do miss the ability to go top down in nice weather - enjoy!

guarnibl · 04-25-2015, 09:30 AM

That's great to hear! My current plan is to do the ESS piggyback tuner to make up for the extra weight. Shocked to hear it can keep up with the M5 given the massive horsepower difference. But then again, pretty sure the M4 was underrated power wise.

ciaranob · 04-25-2015, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by GrussGott

I went to work with an M5 today at various speeds, huge straight aways, a few corners, obstacles, et al. Despite my vert, at no point did I feel uncompetitive - no way I was going to walk him, and there were a few 'ah crap he got me' moments, but overall I was pretty shocked at how evenly matched we were. I didn't know the guy and he gave me the thumbs up after about a 1/2 hour of run... I think he was pretty surprised too. The e93 would've gotten destroyed.

Cool - my brother drives an F10 M5 over in the UK, amazing piece of kit - would be a lot of fun to dice with him but will have to settle giving him a taste of the M4 whenever he lands in the neighborhood

bimmerj · 04-25-2015, 10:23 AM

Glad to hear, but I think he was either playing or too scared to push his car.

Andrew115 · 04-25-2015, 10:32 AM

Are you stock?

GrussGott · 04-25-2015, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by GlobalScientist

Was the top up or down? Either way cool!

Top down of course! That's the way I typically drive and I get used to the slight weight change with the top in the trunk - feels off with the top up but could totally be my imagination.

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Originally Posted by bimmerj

Glad to hear, but I think he was either playing or too scared to push his car.

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Originally Posted by Andrew115

Are you stock?

Completely stock except for the valve mod which wouldn't matter, and he was WAY beyond playing, but was also just a dude - looked to be mid 30s.

I think the key here is two things: (1.) pro driver to pro driver, not a contest or if, say, Randy Probst did 2 back-to-back track runs, (2.) gotta stay aggressive - more than once I caught him backing off a bit here or there "sleeping" ... he had less to prove than me

We were "on" for about 1/2 hour straight which is awhile for me anyway, and a lot of gas!

The point is, this is slick handling fast fecking car even at vacation weight.

yemenmocha · 04-26-2015, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jordon335

Quite evenly matched handling wise i suppose with the added weight and unequal weight distribution of the Convertable. An F80-F82 would have had a bit more edge.

I was thinking the same, as the M4 convertible is more than 500 lbs. heavier than the M4 coupe, and about one passenger shy of the weight of an M5.

guarnibl · 04-26-2015, 07:41 PM

332 lb weight difference. Not bad though... M5 makes 527 to the wheels stock. M4 made ~424 HP to the wheels. So about 100 HP difference... though about 30 of that comes off from the weight difference.

Given likely gearing difference and 70 HP.... I'm sure on regular roads it felt comparable, though 70 is still a decent difference, but not mind blowing.

Warranty P · 04-27-2015, 03:17 PM

The guy in the M5 wasn't trying.

8600RPM · 04-27-2015, 10:29 PM

No offense but the m5 would crush an m4 vert. M4 coupe or m3 would be equal or faster at,speeds up to 100 mph.

Guy was likely short shifting and just feathering throttle.

I drive my friends m4 vert and it felt about on parnate with my last e92 when stock. Fbo e92 felt faster.

gmd2003 · 04-28-2015, 06:27 AM

Driver >>>>>> than car applies to this situation . I could have beaten you both on track in a S2000 with 220hp

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GrussGott · 04-28-2015, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by gmd2003

Driver >>>>>> than car applies to this situation . I could have beaten you both on track in a S2000 with 220hp

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Just to be clear, the point of the thread isn't "guess what? M4 vert: sleeper track king!"

It's more, "hey, I got in the ring with a pro MMA figher, went a round, and left under my own power"

GlobalScientist · 04-28-2015, 09:58 PM

I could see a vert M4 beat any car. Most folks aren't pro drivers, so unless it's straight line.. it's fractions of second your dealing with.

mc3456 · 05-01-2015, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GrussGott

I went to work with an M5 today at various speeds, huge straight aways, a few wicked corners, obstacles, et al. Despite my vert, at no point did I feel uncompetitive - no way I was going to walk him, and there were a few 'ah crap he got me' moments, but overall I was pretty shocked at how evenly matched we were. I didn't know the guy and he gave me the thumbs up after about a 1/2 hour of run... I think he was pretty surprised too. The e93 would've gotten destroyed.

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Originally Posted by GrussGott

It's more, "hey, I got in the ring with a pro MMA figher, went a round, and left under my own power"

Uh-huh...

mc3456 · 05-01-2015, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 8600RPM

No offense but the m5 would crush an m4 vert. M4 coupe or m3 would be equal or faster at,speeds up to 100 mph.

Guy was likely short shifting and just feathering throttle.

I drive my friends m4 vert and it felt about on parnate with my last e92 when stock. Fbo e92 felt faster.

Any possibility the M5 guy was just enjoying his cup of coffee totally unaware that the M4 Convertible was furiously trying to keep up thinking it was a race...

PawnStar · 11-06-2015, 12:27 PM

Hi guys, this could have been me, I was just enjoying a smoothie driving along , totally unaware that an M4 Convertible was furiously trying to keep up with me. Not until the guy finally caught up to me at a light, all sweaty with crazy hair and yelled: 'can't believe I was able to keep up!'

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jwilliams Lieutenant 146 Rep 563 Posts Drives: 3 series Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: harlow iTrader: (1)	Quite evenly matched handling wise i suppose with the added weight and unequal weight distribution of the Convertable. An F80-F82 would have had a bit more edge.
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dme330i Captain 117 Rep 643 Posts Drives: Huracan, GT3, 66 GTO Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Charlotte Area iTrader: (1)	Nice! Thanks for sharing. I've wondered, similarly, how my vert would fare with various cars, including the F10.
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Powerslide Colonel 1099 Rep 2,286 Posts Drives: 2018 F80 ZCP Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Chicago Illinois USA iTrader: (0)	That's pretty awesome to hear - having a convertible and still being able to reasonably keep up with the F10 M5!! Lots of people truly underestimate the capability and fun of a convertible. There may be a difference on the track - but on the road it's going to be rare to truly notice the added weight (in fact, the added weight on the rear wheels and resultant extra traction offsets part of the weight disadvantage...) I went sedan this time around given my kids are much older and bigger than when I bought my E93 7 years ago - love my sedan but do miss the ability to go top down in nice weather - enjoy!
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guarnibl Major 210 Rep 1,048 Posts Drives: Depends on the day. Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scottsdale, AZ iTrader: (0)	332 lb weight difference. Not bad though... M5 makes 527 to the wheels stock. M4 made ~424 HP to the wheels. So about 100 HP difference... though about 30 of that comes off from the weight difference. Given likely gearing difference and 70 HP.... I'm sure on regular roads it felt comparable, though 70 is still a decent difference, but not mind blowing. __________________ 2019 Jeep Wrangler \| 2018 BMW 320i \| 2016 Porsche Boxster Spyder \| 2009 Jeep Wrangler gone: 2015 M4, 2015 335i, 2012 Turbo S, 2008 M3, 2004 M3, 2003 330xi
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