Dinan vs. BMW

MJX5 · 04-27-2015, 04:51 PM

So the Dinan tune is $1900 and BMW tune is $1350?
Any other options for tuning and still be under warranty?
I can see $1300 but not $1900

Taran.J · 04-27-2015, 05:42 PM

HP and torque gain divided by cost of each.

I would use that formula to make my decision. Since Dinan works directly with BMW you shouldn't have any warranty issues either way.

quattrospeed · 04-27-2015, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Taran.J

HP and torque gain divided by cost of each.

I would use that formula to make my decision. Since Dinan works directly with BMW you shouldn't have any warranty issues either way.

I have to jump in here... I had an M3 about 8 years ago that I did ONLY Dinan upgrades to. At 48k I had major issues with acceleration stuttering, and after a lot of back and forth, they decided it would not be covered under warranty... And I have heard of many people with denied claims because their issue was tied back to the software.

Taran.J · 04-27-2015, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by quattrospeed

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Originally Posted by Taran.J

HP and torque gain divided by cost of each.

I would use that formula to make my decision. Since Dinan works directly with BMW you shouldn't have any warranty issues either way.

I have to jump in here... I had an M3 about 8 years ago that I did ONLY Dinan upgrades to. At 48k I had major issues with acceleration stuttering, and after a lot of back and forth, they decided it would not be covered under warranty... And I have heard of many people with denied claims because their issue was tied back to the software.

But isn't that because of claims of other mods done to the car that may affect it? If you only tune the motor there shouldn't be any denials. Now if you upgrade to non OEM parts I.e. FMIC, CP, Catless DP's all of that stuff then it may be a limiting factor

42pilot · 04-27-2015, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MJX5

So the Dinan tune is $1900 and BMW tune is $1350?
Any other options for tuning and still be under warranty?
I can see $1300 but not $1900

What is the difference between the two (torque and hp)? If you don't know where these numbers are different, you can't make an informed decision.

What are you looking for, exactly? A number or a characteristic? For example, I do a lot of city driving, so throttle response and low-end torque (at low RPM) are important to me. I could care less what the numbers are over 4,000 rpm because I never drive there (35d).

quattrospeed · 04-28-2015, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Taran.J

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Originally Posted by quattrospeed

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Originally Posted by Taran.J

HP and torque gain divided by cost of each.

I would use that formula to make my decision. Since Dinan works directly with BMW you shouldn't have any warranty issues either way.

I have to jump in here... I had an M3 about 8 years ago that I did ONLY Dinan upgrades to. At 48k I had major issues with acceleration stuttering, and after a lot of back and forth, they decided it would not be covered under warranty... And I have heard of many people with denied claims because their issue was tied back to the software.

But isn't that because of claims of other mods done to the car that may affect it? If you only tune the motor there shouldn't be any denials. Now if you upgrade to non OEM parts I.e. FMIC, CP, Catless DP's all of that stuff then it may be a limiting factor

There actually wasn't one single piece of non dinan non BMW parts or accessories on the car.

r33_RGSport · 04-28-2015, 09:11 AM

@quattrospeed , Dinan should've stepped up and fulfill their agreement in that case. Or maybe that warranty thing is only a marketing gimmick?
Not to bash on Dinan, but I always think a warranty as an insurance. They ran away or charge you more when things actually happened.

MattBianco · 04-28-2015, 09:54 AM

I saw your thread title and thought Dinan has filed! LOL

quattrospeed · 04-28-2015, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by r33_RGSport

@quattrospeed , Dinan should've stepped up and fulfill their agreement in that case. Or maybe that warranty thing is only a marketing gimmick?
Not to bash on Dinan, but I always think a warranty as an insurance. They ran away or charge you more when things actually happened.

I had my attorney's office check it out, there is nothing in writing ANYWHERE that says it's covered. There are dealerships that sell DINAN that also have service centers, and they do favors by covering things that were caused by DINAN mods. But the only line that BMW actually stands behind is BMW Performance.

Taran.J · 04-28-2015, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by quattrospeed

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Originally Posted by r33_RGSport

@quattrospeed , Dinan should've stepped up and fulfill their agreement in that case. Or maybe that warranty thing is only a marketing gimmick?
Not to bash on Dinan, but I always think a warranty as an insurance. They ran away or charge you more when things actually happened.

I had my attorney's office check it out, there is nothing in writing ANYWHERE that says it's covered. There are dealerships that sell DINAN that also have service centers, and they do favors by covering things that were caused by DINAN mods. But the only line that BMW actually stands behind is BMW Performance.

Damn well I'm happy my dealership didn't screw me. They also have had a Dinan office in their service bay for the last 15 years I can remember

quattrospeed · 04-28-2015, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Taran.J

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Originally Posted by quattrospeed

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Originally Posted by r33_RGSport

@quattrospeed , Dinan should've stepped up and fulfill their agreement in that case. Or maybe that warranty thing is only a marketing gimmick?
Not to bash on Dinan, but I always think a warranty as an insurance. They ran away or charge you more when things actually happened.

I had my attorney's office check it out, there is nothing in writing ANYWHERE that says it's covered. There are dealerships that sell DINAN that also have service centers, and they do favors by covering things that were caused by DINAN mods. But the only line that BMW actually stands behind is BMW Performance.

Damn well I'm happy my dealership didn't screw me. They also have had a Dinan office in their service bay for the last 15 years I can remember

I don't want anyone to get confused... Purchased the vehicle from a dealer, who had a dinan rep and shop there... Had all the upgrades done.... Moved 1500 miles away... Had the issue, and the dealer who I took it to for service said they would not cover it, along with 5 other dealers in the area.

Kief · 04-28-2015, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MJX5

So the Dinan tune is $1900 and BMW tune is $1350?
Any other options for tuning and still be under warranty?
I can see $1300 but not $1900

I paid around $1100 installed for the MPPK.
$1095 at Tischer and $30 bucks to install (it's just a software flash) Plus they have $50 off...
https://www.getbmwparts.com/partloca...catalogid=4462

MJX5 · 04-28-2015, 02:44 PM

My local dealership is claiming 1.5 hours to install the MPPK?!

Taran.J · 04-28-2015, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MJX5

My local dealership is claiming 1.5 hours to install the MPPK?!

I was told $220 with taxes to install

They're also selling it to me for $1350

Kief · 04-28-2015, 05:06 PM

.25 hrs to install

MJX5 · 04-28-2015, 06:00 PM

Is there something online I can show the dealership about install times on equipment? I think they are using an old guide and may not have the latest bulletin on install times for MPPK

Babs · 04-28-2015, 06:02 PM

Here you go. It was originally provided by Alan L.

http://mybmw.com.ua/wp-content/uploa.../PIDoc8299.pdf

Kief · 04-28-2015, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MJX5

Is there something online I can show the dealership about install times on equipment? I think they are using an old guide and may not have the latest bulletin on install times for MPPK

I had my local dealership match Tischer BMW's aggressive pricing and quoted installed time by Evan @ Tischer. You should PM Evan for the install quote.

I think the installed prices on ShopBMW are incorrect for the MPPK. For the F15, the MPPK is just the flash and no other installed parts like the F30 MPPK

MeTaLX6 · 04-28-2015, 07:02 PM

on the bmwusa website, it lists the MPPK @ $1,350 plus install.

at the local dealer website, im getting the following prices...

BMW M PERFORMANCE POWER KIT, INSTALLED $1,388.25
BMW M PERFORMANCE POWER KIT, UNINSTALLED $992.25

what do you guys make of this? is it negotiable anyway?

cenix · 04-29-2015, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by quattrospeed

I don't want anyone to get confused... Purchased the vehicle from a dealer, who had a dinan rep and shop there... Had all the upgrades done.... Moved 1500 miles away... Had the issue, and the dealer who I took it to for service said they would not cover it, along with 5 other dealers in the area.

And you contacted Dinan directly and they denied you as well? What was the diagnosis of the M3's problems?

quattrospeed · 04-29-2015, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cenix

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Originally Posted by quattrospeed

I don't want anyone to get confused... Purchased the vehicle from a dealer, who had a dinan rep and shop there... Had all the upgrades done.... Moved 1500 miles away... Had the issue, and the dealer who I took it to for service said they would not cover it, along with 5 other dealers in the area.

And you contacted Dinan directly and they denied you as well? What was the diagnosis of the M3's problems?

Dinan said that they are not responsible and said that they have spent millions in research and development, and in my case they cannot prove that the engine components were not faulty from the factory.

It bad misfires on cylinder 4 and 6 if i remember correctly.

Chem14 · 04-29-2015, 04:04 PM

I was quoted:

MPPK 1770$
Dinan stage 1: 2209$

Installed.

Does the Dinan stage 1 give a noticeable increase in exhaust sound?

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Chem14 First Lieutenant 170 Rep 386 Posts Drives: 2018 530e Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Oregon iTrader: (0)	I was quoted: MPPK 1770$ Dinan stage 1: 2209$ Installed. Does the Dinan stage 1 give a noticeable increase in exhaust sound?
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