Spacer help

jm600rr · 07-24-2015, 07:56 PM

Just installed Macht Schnell 15mm front and rear and its sticking out. Not sure why its not flush. I'm going to take it off and maybe have it looked at when I get springs installed next week. I might just go get 12mm all round. The fronts are the ones that look bad.

gthal · 07-24-2015, 08:03 PM

Taking them off and having them looked at is a waste of your time. I think this looks exactly like a 15mm spacer is expected to look. Your spacers are simply too aggressive for your preference... go with 10mm or 12mm.

Some people think 15mm spacers are "perfectly flush" and others (like you) think they look a little "poked" out. On a car without a drop, my opinion is that 15mm spacers look a tad poked out.

jm600rr · 07-24-2015, 09:16 PM

Gotcha. I'll look at it again with ACS springs installed next week and if it still looks off to me I'll go with 10 or 12's. Thanks again for your info. I thought maybe I didn't install it right. The pics from others looked good but again those were dropped already.

tha_good_life · 07-24-2015, 09:25 PM

hmmmm... I might have to reconsider since I'm planning on doing 18mm fronts and 15mm rear.

x.shell · 07-25-2015, 12:51 AM

Lowering the car will give the wheels more negative camber. 15mm will look great with a 1.5" drop or more. Stock height or even ACS springs might look poked.

pikkagtr · 07-25-2015, 01:08 AM

agreed, 15mm on the KW HAS or Swifts will look perfect in my humble opinion

jm600rr · 07-25-2015, 01:52 AM

Just order 10mm Macht Schnell since Amazon didn't have any 12mm and I wanted it by Monday. Lets see how they look and hopefully I'll get ACS springs installed on Tuesday.

AIRPOWER · 07-25-2015, 04:27 AM

I don't know just had my done on Thursday and it looks pretty flush to me (15 front 12 rear). Stock springs. I think the "flushness" is determined from where you are comparing it to......i.e. the top of the wheel (12 o'clock), or another clock position. obviously from 3-9 it is not flush.

AIRPOWER · 07-25-2015, 04:34 AM

This is a good before and after shot

tha_good_life · 07-25-2015, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by AIRPOWER

I don't know just had my done on Thursday and it looks pretty flush to me (15 front 12 rear). Stock springs. I think the "flushness" is determined from where you are comparing it to......i.e. the top of the wheel (12 o'clock), or another clock position. obviously from 3-9 it is not flush.

can you take a picture in the front to see how flush it sits? Thanks

manticor · 07-25-2015, 08:43 PM

Damn I want flush with no poke... Might have to do 12/12 then go to 15 when I drop it on swifts or US eibachs

AlterZgo · 07-26-2015, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by jm600rr

Just order 10mm Macht Schnell since Amazon didn't have any 12mm and I wanted it by Monday. Lets see how they look and hopefully I'll get ACS springs installed on Tuesday.

Bad move. Once your car is lowered, you will realize 15mm was perfect as the addtl negative camber will make the front rims flush.

jm600rr · 07-26-2015, 12:30 AM

We'll see. Having the car lowered on Tuesday but ACS springs has a pretty conservative drop. I don't want the wheel poking out at all so if the 15mm looks fine I can return the 10mm to Amazon and\or I may buy 12mm while getting the springs.

hwalk · 07-27-2015, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by jm600rr

We'll see. Having the car lowered on Tuesday but ACS springs has a pretty conservative drop. I don't want the wheel poking out at all so if the 15mm looks fine I can return the 10mm to Amazon and\or I may buy 12mm while getting the springs.

there's no visible difference between 10 and 12. I installed ACS with 10mm front and rear and it's perfect (admittedly the Cops in Germany are very less of humor if your wheels are poking out a bit too far). You'll love the ACS as they offer great performance and a lowering that let you still drive the car over speed bumps and into parking lots without having to move in super-slomo and the whole crowd laughing at you...

Taimur · 07-27-2015, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AlterZgo

Bad move. Once your car is lowered, you will realize 15mm was perfect as the addtl negative camber will make the front rims flush.

Get a proper alignment then. Too much negative camber is not good, especially for the tires.

AlterZgo · 07-28-2015, 11:20 AM

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Get a proper alignment then. Too much negative camber is not good, especially for the tires.

The addt'l negative camber is minor. Plus, people usually add more negative camber to improve handling.

I agree that an alignment is needed after lowering to prevent excessive tire wear. However, extra camber in and of itself causes minimal additional tire wear. It is excessive toe out that can chew up tires in 1000 miles or less.

x.shell · 07-28-2015, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Taimur

Get a proper alignment then. Too much negative camber is not good, especially for the tires.

Depends how you drive. Having zero camber will chew up the outside of your tires and possibly fold the tire if you drive aggressively on turns. I don't remember the exact number, but I believe the most negative camber you can get on the front is -0.8 or something; rear is a little more than -2.0 I believe. Hardly anything that will give crazy uneven wear; unless all you do is drive on a straight highway.

That being said, I agree that 15mm spacer up front would look flush with a drop. On stock height, it will look a bit much IMO.

AIRPOWER · 08-05-2015, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tha_good_life

can you take a picture in the front to see how flush it sits? Thanks

Sorry I took so long to get around to take a picture of what you asked for tha good life.

I hope these pics are what you were looking for.

stefan @ eas · 08-05-2015, 01:46 PM

15/12mm combo will sit pretty flush from what we've seen on lowered setups. You can get a bit more aggressive on stock suspension if there are no plans to lower in the near future.

x.shell · 08-05-2015, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dan @ eas

15/12mm combo will sit pretty flush from what we've seen on lowered setups. You can get a bit more aggressive on stock suspension if there are no plans to lower in the near future.

The question is why would you get more aggressive on the stock suspension? Because of the lack of camber at stock height, the 15f/12r already looks too aggressive imo; thicker spacers would only lead to the downright silly.

Amgeater2 · 08-05-2015, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jm600rr

Just installed Macht Schnell 15mm front and rear and its sticking out. Not sure why its not flush. I'm going to take it off and maybe have it looked at when I get springs installed next week. I might just go get 12mm all round. The fronts are the ones that look bad.

15mm and 12mm is pretty agressive on the m4 remember for some reason the m3 does seem to have little wider fenders imo I am speaking about the rears

stefan @ eas · 08-05-2015, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ex o

The question is why would you get more aggressive on the stock suspension? Because of the lack of camber at stock height, the 15f/12r already looks too aggressive imo; thicker spacers would only lead to the downright silly.

Purely up to end user's taste. We have a thread which shows specs/pictures to suit just about everyone's needs: http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1000804

Hope this helps!

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jm600rr Second Lieutenant 119 Rep 251 Posts Drives: 2020 M8C Coupe Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: SoCal iTrader: (4)	Gotcha. I'll look at it again with ACS springs installed next week and if it still looks off to me I'll go with 10 or 12's. Thanks again for your info. I thought maybe I didn't install it right. The pics from others looked good but again those were dropped already.
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jm600rr Second Lieutenant 119 Rep 251 Posts Drives: 2020 M8C Coupe Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: SoCal iTrader: (4)	Just order 10mm Macht Schnell since Amazon didn't have any 12mm and I wanted it by Monday. Lets see how they look and hopefully I'll get ACS springs installed on Tuesday.
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manticor Lieutenant 133 Rep 501 Posts Drives: F80 built july 1........... Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: nyc iTrader: (0)	Damn I want flush with no poke... Might have to do 12/12 then go to 15 when I drop it on swifts or US eibachs
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jm600rr Second Lieutenant 119 Rep 251 Posts Drives: 2020 M8C Coupe Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: SoCal iTrader: (4)	We'll see. Having the car lowered on Tuesday but ACS springs has a pretty conservative drop. I don't want the wheel poking out at all so if the 15mm looks fine I can return the 10mm to Amazon and\or I may buy 12mm while getting the springs.
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stefan @ eas Lieutenant 43 Rep 544 Posts Drives: BMW E60 M5 Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Anaheim iTrader: (0)	15/12mm combo will sit pretty flush from what we've seen on lowered setups. You can get a bit more aggressive on stock suspension if there are no plans to lower in the near future.
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