Now w/ Exhaust Sounds -2016 911 370Hp 3.0 Turbo(base) vs M4

[DocWeatherington]

Alright Alright I know its base price is 90k.. but 370hp, 331lb-ft.. peak 1,700rpm up to 5,000 rpm

0-60 4seconds , top speed 183mph for the base 911 plus more standard equipment.. and options for rear wheel steer.... Hmm 1,700 rpm up to 5,000 rpm

911 S, 103k 0-60 3.7 top speed of 191mph.. laps the Nurburgring 10 seconds faster at 7:30.... 420hp, 368lb-ft Hmm 1,700 rpm up to 5,000 rpm


Redline on both is 7,500rpm

I think everything in the class just got served...

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UPDATED 9/11/15 with Exhaust sounds 1:05 & 1:40
I doubt this "upgrade" will disappoint everyone.

At bit too much music in this video...

New Porsche 911 Microsite

http://www.porsche.com/microsite/911..._content=video

Also have the build your own up... I guess they don't play around
http://www.porsche.com/usa/modelstar...modelrange=911
**** SIDE NOTE ... Go to the Sports Exhaust option and click the round circle to "show more information" then click the other grey round circle once the pop up.. pops up( Upper Right) *** Its like a warm cookie from Double Tree.

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Update 9/20/2015

Official Press Release
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The sports car legend enhanced: the new Porsche 911 Carrera
New turbocharged engines, an advanced chassis, and new Porsche Communication Management

Atlanta, Georgia. Celebrating its debut at the Frankfurt International Auto Show, the new 911 Carrera is taking performance and everyday usability to new heights. Innovative flat-six engines derived from four decades of turbocharging used in racing and on road cars not only make this the fastest 911 Carrera ever, but also provide abundant torque for superior passing power. An advanced chassis offering an even more sophisticated combination of ride comfort and performance characterizes the handling of the new 911. For the first time, rear-axle steering is available as an option for the Carrera S, significantly enhancing its already superb agility. These improvements reduce the lap time on the North Loop of the Nürburgring to just 7 minutes and 30 seconds, making it 10 seconds faster than the previous Carrera S.

Many exterior features of the 911 Carrera have been visually refined from new headlights with four-point daytime running lights to integrated door handle recesses, a redesigned rear deck lid with vertical louvers, and new rear lights – including the characteristic four-point brake lights. The new standard Porsche Communication Management system with a multi-touch display offers an expanded range of functions and simplified usability.

New turbocharged engines: 20 horsepower increase, reduced fuel consumption
The completely new engine generation featuring twin-turbo technology enhances the driving pleasure of the 911 Carrera and provides a 20 hp increase compared to the previous models. The 3.0 liter engine in the standard Carrera now develops 370 hp. Using turbochargers with modified compressor wheels, a model-specific exhaust system, and a different tune for the engine management system, the 911 Carrera S delivers 420 hp from the same displacement.

The new Porsche 911 Carrera and Carrera S engines are characterized by significantly increased torque. Offering up to 331 lb.-ft. and 368 lb.-ft., respectively, from 1,700 rpm up to 5,000 rpm, both powertrains supply generous torque over a broad powerband. Reaching up to 7,500 rpm, the new engine generation also maintains relatively high engine speeds for a turbocharged powertrain – accompanied by the familiar Porsche sound.

Traditionally, a new 911 offers enhanced performance and efficiency compared to the predecessor. Depending on the model variant, the new engines are almost twelve percent more efficient compared to the previous generation according to the New European Drive Cycle (NEDC). EPA ratings will be available at a later date.

The new 911 models also boast impressive performance: the 911 Carrera Coupé with Porsche-Doppelkupplung (PDK) and Sport Chrono Package sprints from zero to 60 miles per hour in 4.0 seconds – making it two tenths of a second faster than its predecessor. The 911 Carrera S with PDK and Sport Chrono Package needs just 3.7 seconds (also 0.2 s faster). Both models reach higher top track speeds: the 911 Carrera is now able to reach 183 miles per hour, while the 911 Carrera S can achieve up to 191 miles per hour. All new Carrera variants are offered with a manual seven-speed transmission as standard.

When equipped with the optional Sport Chrono Package, the 911 Carrera now comes with a mode switch on the steering wheel, derived from the hybrid map switch in the 918 Spyder. The mode switch consists of a rotary dial with four positions for the driving modes Normal, Sport, Sport Plus, and Individual. Depending on the optional equipment installed in the car, the Individual setting allows drivers to configure their own specific vehicle set-up for the chassis, Auto Start/Stop system, PDK shifting strategy, and Sport Exhaust System. On models equipped with the PDK transmission, the mode switch has a "Sport Response" button, which pre-conditions the drivetrain for maximum acceleration.

A standard feature: reengineered PASM with chassis lowered by ten millimeters
The uniqueness of the 911 Carrera stems from its ability to blend refined everyday comfort with exceptional performance. On the new generation, Porsche has increased the dynamic capability even further than before. The revised PASM chassis (Porsche Active Suspension Management), which lowers the ride height by ten millimeters, is a standard feature. It helps improve driver control during fast cornering. New shock absorbers enhance comfort thanks to an even more precise response characteristic and improved body control during spirited driving. New standard wheels with five twin spokes are equipped with tires that offer reduced rolling resistance and enhanced grip. Furthermore, the width of the rear rims has been increased by 0.5 to 11.5 inches on all variants. The rear tires of the 911 Carrera S now measure 305 instead of 295 millimeters in width.

Rear-axle steering is available as an option for the 911 Carrera S, adopted from the current 911 Turbo and 911 GT3. It further enhances the turn-in behavior of the 911. Additionally, it increases driving precision when changing lanes at higher speeds. At the same time, it ensures greater maneuverability in city traffic thanks to a turning radius that is 1.6 feet smaller than without this option. The improved handling is transmitted to the driver via the new steering wheel generation with a design based on the steering wheel from the 918 Spyder. For enhanced everyday practicality, Porsche offers an optional electro-hydraulic lift system with lifting cylinders that are integrated into the front axle struts. At the touch of a button, the ground clearance at the front axle is increased by 40 millimeters within 5 seconds. This is particularly useful when clearing speed bumps or steep driveways.

New Porsche Communication Management including online navigation
A standard feature of the new 911 Carrera models is the newly developed Porsche Communication Management System (PCM), including an online navigation module. The PCM can be operated by multi-touch gestures on the seven-inch display, similar to a smartphone. Handwritten user inputs are recognized. Mobile phones and smartphones can now also be connected via Wi-Fi. Also new is the option of connecting an iPhone® to the PCM to utilize Apple CarPlay™.

Real-time traffic information is available for significantly enhanced navigation. It gives the driver a quick overview of the traffic situation and guarantees dynamic adaptation of the route to this information. Google® Earth and Google® Streetview are also being integrated for the first time to offer better orientation. Porsche Car Connect and the Connect Plus module can be used for remotely controlled vehicle functions, transferring destinations to the PCM for navigation and streaming music using third-party service providers via the PCM.

New and extended optional assistance systems
The 911 Carrera also offers enhanced active safety through new and improved assistance systems. Post-collision braking is a standard feature, and the cruise control now brakes moderately when the pre-set speed is exceeded, for example when driving downhill. The Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) option has been upgraded with a coasting function in conjunction with the PDK transmission. The optional Lane Change Assistant monitors traffic approaching from behind with radar and uses LED lights to the left and right of the mirror triangle to warn the driver of vehicles in the blind spot.

Market launch in March 2016
The new Porsche 911 Carrera models will be launched in the United States in March of 2016. Manufacturer's suggested retail prices start as follows:
911 Carrera $89,400
911 Carrera S $103,400
911 Carrera Cabriolet $101,700
911 Carrera S Cabriolet $115,700

[ixse]

The crazier thing is new cayman gts also gets turbo 360hp w more than enough tq figure.. Thats what really serves all cars in its class

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by ixse

The crazier thing is new cayman gts also gets turbo 360hp w more than enough tq figure.. Thats what really serves all cars in its class

Yeah.. should be crazy... 360hp flat 4, light chassis .. plus torque

Just a bit too small for me being 6'3

[ASAP]

are these 6 cylinders?

[solstice]

I dunno, it kind of feel like a disappointment. The 10s gain on the ring is impressive no doubt but the engine specs seems weak. Same displacement as the S55 but less hp and TQ in both the Carrera and Carrera S. Is this worth giving up the 3.8l engine in the current C2S? Doesn't feel very special with a 3l 420hp / 368 lb ft engine in today's FI world. The chassis is undeniable top class as always but I think they could have gone bigger with the engine, not the full 3.8 of the Turbo but something like 3.5l and at least 450hp in the C2S to make the transition to FI go down a bit better. I wonder how these specs will be received in the Porsche world? That said, without driving it, it's just empty words.

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by ASAP

are these 6 cylinders?

Yes but... but no


Turbo Flat 6...:happyanim:

I am betting it is over engineered like everything German.. and would guess with a slight tune 440hp easy in a base 911...

JB4 anyone

[solstice]

Originally Posted by ASAP

are these 6 cylinders?

3l H6.

[ASAP]

If people start tuning these... Porsche will screw themselves and the Turbo S over.

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by solstice

I dunno, it kind of feel like a disappointment. The 10s gain on the ring is impressive no doubt but the engine specs seems weak. Same displacement as the S55 but less hp and TQ in both the Carrera and Carrera S. Is this worth giving up the 3.8l engine in the current C2S? Doesn't feel very special with a 3l 420hp / 368 lb ft engine in today's FI world. The chassis is undeniable top class as always but I think they could have gone bigger with the engine, not the full 3.8 of the Turbo but something like 3.5l and at least 450hp in the C2S to make the transition to FI go down a bit better.

I agree.. however keep in mind this is Porsche..

Its a flat 6 and I would think the 0-60, performance numbers are conservative.

A 911 already is the lightest in the class... So tons of HP/ Torque isn't required.. But instead of a motor to rev out, this will have torque everywhere and still probably rev out and sound bonkers at 7,500 rev limit.

Nah the big motors will be for the top tier performance models...

The 911 and 911s, it makes sense for a 3liter.. They can sell tons of theses and avoid taxes in other markets for anything over 3 liters.. China is huge on this.. Reason why 3.0 liter motors are being the norm...

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by ASAP

If people start tuning these... Porsche will screw themselves and the Turbo S over.

I think the Turbo and Turbo S will be in the 570-650hp mark stock plus tons of other go fast bits..

[solstice]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

I think the Turbo and Turbo S will be in the 570-650hp mark stock plus tons of other go fast bits..

The Turbo and the Turbo S will retain their 3.8l engines. These new 3l engines are no threat independent on how much tuners work on them. Look at the Turbos specs...it's a galaxy away from these new cars.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

I think the Turbo and Turbo S will be in the 570-650hp mark stock plus tons of other go fast bits..

The problem is that not everyone wants that much power... they just want 450, maybe touching 500... there are a few extremes but for 200k, the proposition is very poor. I am not gonna say where this has happened before... but most around here would know .

[solstice]

Originally Posted by ASAP

If people start tuning these... Porsche will screw themselves and the Turbo S over.

I think it could go the other way, the C2S was the top NA 911 optimized for street use. It was a very different offering than the Turbo. Now when they are all Turbos, the glory of the C2S could be vanishing since instead of being a very different choice to the Turbo it's now the poor man's Turbo so the posers will need to pony up for the Turbo, no excuses

[M3guy3]

most overpriced car.

[BwoodBMW]

10 seconds off a ring lap is no joke...

Porsche knows wtf they are doing with turbos. I'm looking forward to seeing how a more conservative application (vs the current turbo which is a remarkably fun motor) drives.

[kdphan]

Originally Posted by M3guy3

most overpriced car.

care to explain?

[M3guy3]

Originally Posted by kdphan

care to explain?

I just dont see much value in them.

you buy a base 911 you are buying it for the name. because anyone who is into buying fast cars. know that anything under 400HP is a joke.

[jlevy73]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

I agree.. however keep in mind this is Porsche..

Its a flat 6 and I would think the 0-60, performance numbers are conservative.

A 911 already is the lightest in the class... So tons of HP/ Torque isn't required.. But instead of a motor to rev out, this will have torque everywhere and still probably rev out and sound bonkers at 7,500 rev limit.

Nah the big motors will be for the top tier performance models...

The 911 and 911s, it makes sense for a 3liter.. They can sell tons of theses and avoid taxes in other markets for anything over 3 liters.. China is huge on this.. Reason why 3.0 liter motors are being the norm...

Not buying the China argument. Lived there for a number of years and the prices of imports are absolutely ridiculous. The outgoing Porsche S is $240,000 USD. Price of the GT3 is just north of $300,000. That's just stupid expensive. At those prices, what's $60K amongst friends.

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by jlevy73

Not buying the China argument. Lived there for a number of years and the prices of imports are absolutely ridiculous. The outgoing Porsche S is $240,000 USD. Price of the GT3 is just north of $300,000. That's just stupid expensive. At those prices, what's $60K amongst friends.

No faith... Think about all the motors sized 3.0 liters or less..

BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Ford/Lincoln, Cadillac, Infiniti all have high performance 6's that are 2.7-3.0

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_tax

Belgium
China - Notice the chart below
http://www.china-briefing.com/news/2...ollection.html
Germany
Hong Kong
Hungary
India
Japan

[M2BMW]

Originally Posted by M3guy3

I just dont see much value in them.

you buy a base 911 you are buying it for the name. because anyone who is into buying fast cars. know that anything under 400HP is a joke.

Who is this "anyone" into fast cars?

[kdphan]

Originally Posted by M3guy3

I just dont see much value in them.

you buy a base 911 you are buying it for the name. because anyone who is into buying fast cars. know that anything under 400HP is a joke.

400hp is a lot of power for 99% of the population (I know I just made that statistic on the fly). Unless you're on a track, you're not using the full 400hp on the streets.

In terms of HP figures alone, $100k for the base 911 is hard to swallow compared to a Mustang GT that has more than 400hp for less than $35k.

That's more HP for 3x less

But what about the overall package? Driving emotions, feedback, build quality, and some other random variables that makes a P-car, a P-car?



Hell, an M3 isn't that great of a value when compared to a Charger Hellcat.

700HP for about the same price as a base M3.

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by M3guy3

I just dont see much value in them.

you buy a base 911 you are buying it for the name. because anyone who is into buying fast cars. know that anything under 400HP is a joke.

Sir those are fighting words on here lol...