Walked by a convertible 5.0 mustang GT

[brianeck]

Title says it. 45 and a 50 roll. I say gearing lost the races. All good fun and the GT was stock except for an exhaust. It wasn't perfectly coordinated but the car was definitely faster then I expected.

2012 stang.

Mine is a stock 15' f80.

It wasn't embarrassing but I thought I would win. 2nd and 3rd gear both aren't quite in the right spot from those speeds I guess.

[BMWFanatic2008]

Is yours 6MT or DCT? Which mode were you in (also other settings)?

[auf Deutsch]

I appreciate your honesty. Don't let it happen again

[Sahbatage]

Originally Posted by brianeck

Title says it. 45 and a 50 roll. I say gearing lost the races. All good fun and the GT was stock except for an exhaust. It wasn't perfectly coordinated but the car was definitely faster then I expected.

2012 stang.

Mine is a stock 15' f80.

It wasn't embarrassing but I thought I would win. 2nd and 3rd gear both aren't quite in the right spot from those speeds I guess.

When you say walked do you actually mean walked? to me that means 3+ car lengths. Also when you say gearing do you mean gear ratio or poor shifting? I would think it would be a lot closer given the stats of each car.

Originally Posted by BMWFanatic2008

Is yours 6MT or DCT? Which mode were you in (also other settings)?

His car is a 6MT.

[nicknaz]

still on the PSS? switch those out as well. You might have gotten power cut in 2nd

Kinda sucks to hear, to be honest.

[brianeck]

Update to answer all questions and a few side notes: I'm in a 6mt, and I'm complaining not about my shifting but about the actual nature of the gears at the speeds in question. I was in Sport+ with traction completely off, and I'm rocking Blizzaks (lol) @ 245mm all around so they're not ideal. That said, traction didn't seem to be an issue at all to be honest. From a dig there isn't enough rubber on the Blizzaks to really hook, but moving you just get an extremely light chirp from 2nd-3rd whereas on a nice day with the PSS I get notable spin when I upshift super hard there.

2nd gear was basically a few hundred RPMS from out of the power band, and 3rd gear is a little big to demand full throttle pulls from at the same speed, but I tried both and lost both ways (he started in 3rd gear all 3 times). Its just a bad range to roll from IMO with the stock power levels and the transmission spacing. With a tune 3rd gear would probably be ideal there. . . May need to JB4 and try again before he does any mods because he's a car nut. *I do trust that his car is stock, save for a Borla axle back which shouldn't make all the difference.

Finally: "walked" is probably an overstatement. . . There were 3 runs overall, and one of them he had me by about 1 car so "crawled" is probably more applicable then "walked" . We weren't on the greatest road in the world (Mexico is full of not so great roads), so we only had time for the 3 runs in question and didn't go high speeds or anything, it was just good clean safe fun.

We'll go again on a better road at some point and I'll report back. His girlfriend was in his car and she hated the entire experience, my best friend was in mine and he loved it. . . We probably had about 120 pounds of additional human weight in my car.

Obviously there are a lot of variables in play, just thought I'd post the experience and take a page out of McGregor's "humbleness in defeat" playbook haha.

[brianeck]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

still on the PSS? switch those out as well. You might have gotten power cut in 2nd

Kinda sucks to hear, to be honest.

Honestly, it was closer then my original post/title make it sound. I'll revert to "crawled." But he definitely won all 3 times, by 1 car length or less.

[Chez]

I've never been beaten by any 'stang.. and around here they all try it.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by brianeck

Honestly, it was closer then my original post/title make it sound. I'll revert to "crawled." But he definitely won all 3 times, by 1 car length or less.

It makes complete sense; the current gen cars are close stock vs. stock and with 6MT and last gen M3 and last gen stang were close too

[JonnyM3]

Something is wrong with your car, my old stock e90 was beating my friends slightly modded 5.0

[brianeck]

Originally Posted by JonnyM3

Something is wrong with your car, my old stock e90 was beating my friends slightly modded 5.0

I fail to see the connection between your completely anecdotal evidence from two different cars and a mechanical or computer error in my particular vehicle. The cars are really not so far off in power to weight, and I already listed a couple of factors including gearing, weight, and winter tire setup which could 100% account for a slight disadvantage on my end.

A loss is a loss and I don't think its fair to write it off as "my car is broken." DCT may fair better at the speeds in question, because again, a 52-55mph roll in the F80 6mt is really not a particular sweet spot in 2nd or 3rd gear. This has little to do with "shifting fast" its just a matter of gear size, and with the 6mt I would like to think a 60-65 roll would be much more effective. For that matter, a 40 roll would have been a completely different race as well. . . After looking at the "gearing" of the Mustang, 1st takes it to 42, 2nd to 80mph, and 3rd to 120mph. This is vastly different from our own gearing.

I would be very surprised to see the same thing happen from different roll speeds as noted, but again the road we were on at the time did not allow for us to conduct such an assay in a safe and effective manner.

[zackf80m]

Nothing JB4 can't fix

[shortseller]

Had to cringe then laugh at the girlfriend in the passenger seat observation. I know that feeling, I can't even look sideways if a muscle car pulls next to us, me and the misses, at a light without her already warming me, NOT TO!

OP, It could be a lot of things(as you allude to), turbos can be funny like that, air temperature & humidity, gas, etc can all effect a good run, unlike a NA v8 5.0 which for the most part are point and shoot. No big!

[Oliver Queen]

At the end of the day, your car cosmetically walked that stang lol

[MPerformance211]

Something is wrong with your car or there was serious driver error on your part..............a 2012 Mustang GT Vert beat you and it's stock? No way in hell. That car is a mid to high 13 second car for Christ sake.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by MPerformance211

Something is wrong with your car or .

my GUESS is that OP's use of 245 square winter tires was causing power cut from DSC ON

[JonnyM3]

Originally Posted by brianeck

I fail to see the connection between your completely anecdotal evidence from two different cars and a mechanical or computer error in my particular vehicle. The cars are really not so far off in power to weight, and I already listed a couple of factors including gearing, weight, and winter tire setup which could 100% account for a slight disadvantage on my end.

A loss is a loss and I don't think its fair to write it off as "my car is broken." DCT may fair better at the speeds in question, because again, a 52-55mph roll in the F80 6mt is really not a particular sweet spot in 2nd or 3rd gear. This has little to do with "shifting fast" its just a matter of gear size, and with the 6mt I would like to think a 60-65 roll would be much more effective. For that matter, a 40 roll would have been a completely different race as well. . . After looking at the "gearing" of the Mustang, 1st takes it to 42, 2nd to 80mph, and 3rd to 120mph. This is vastly different from our own gearing.

I would be very surprised to see the same thing happen from different roll speeds as noted, but again the road we were on at the time did not allow for us to conduct such an assay in a safe and effective manner.

I'm not basing my assumptions of there being something wrong with your car without any support. Unless he had some serious mods, there's absolutely no way a stock 360-370rwhp car is beating a stock M4 without some "user error" or car not running correctly. Perhaps you were spinning and didn't realize it cause traction was kicking in and cutting power, the tires you mentioned are quite narrow. In terms on being in the sweet spot, when I ran my friends 2012 modded 5.0 in my stock e90 we were at 35mph which isn't exactly ideal for the high revving S65. Sorry, maybe you're right just hard for me to wrap my head around.

[fusionchicken]

prev gen 5.0 coupe traps in the low teens while the lowest MPH I've seen for a 6mt M4 is like 116.xx mph

I'd imagine a drop top mustang is a bit heavier thus slower

Odd result IMHO

[MaynardZed]

Very strange indeed. I pulled a couple car lengths on 5.0 coupe during 1/2 mile event, two runs. 6MT vs. 6MT. I do remember being surprised he was that close to me though.

[///F80M3]

Doesn't make sense.

I'm pretty sure ur friends car is not stock

[WVUDrJay]

Originally Posted by shortseller

Had to cringe then laugh at the girlfriend in the passenger seat observation. I know that feeling, I can't even look sideways if a muscle car pulls next to us, me and the misses, at a light without her already warming me, NOT TO!

OP, It could be a lot of things(as you allude to), turbos can be funny like that, air temperature & humidity, gas, etc can all effect a good run, unlike a NA v8 5.0 which for the most part are point and shoot. No big!

So funny. I was at movies last weekend with wifey. I'm walking out to my m4 parked well out of the way. A Mitsubishi comes crawling by. Then stops turns around turns off traction control and starts doing doughnuts. We get in car. They follow us and are revving engine.

Wife "don't even think about it". Swallowed pride and let it ride.

This weekend however some numb nuts in firebird thought it was a good plan to try me. No wife in car = loss for firebird. Walked is a fair description of that exchange.

[Ian1973]

Strange to hear as I got into it a little with a coupe last year. I was behind him, he gunned it, I followed and almost rear ended him. So I was clearly putting more power down.

Considering what they are rated at the crank and we know we are more powerful than the numbers, not to mention the extra weight he's carrying with the vert, I'm surprised by the outcome.