Does the DCT shift faster with the stick than with the paddles?

Kevin G · 07-22-2016, 11:08 PM

This is probably all in my head (especially since coming off of years only owning 3 pedals), but does the DCT stick seem to shift faster than the paddles? Should there be any difference in gear-shifting speed between the two?

donaldp · 07-22-2016, 11:20 PM

it's quicker to flick the paddles then it is to pull the lever towards you. The reaction is the same but the action takes longer with the shifter.

CaryTheLabelGuy · 07-23-2016, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin G

This is probably all in my head (especially since coming off of years only owning 3 pedals), but does the DCT stick seem to shift faster than the paddles? Should there be any difference in gear-shifting speed between the two?

The reaction to the shift input is identical regardless of whether you used the shift lever or the paddles.

OutlawX3M · 07-23-2016, 07:14 AM

Both shift methods are equal in terms of shift time afik.

We're forced to use both unless you're really good contortionist and able to find the correct paddle to work when the wheel isn't straight. I can't understand why these paddles aren't attached to the column... In a predictable place...

As to why I would have such an issue, there's a few roads with sweeping turns and off ramps nearby where you can up shift. Also more than a few decreasing radius off ramps where a down shift is just soo much fun.

DBACE · 07-23-2016, 07:33 AM

My last car was a standard and my mind is still programmed as such. While I believe my reaction time is quicker with the paddles for obvious reasons (my hand(s) don't have to move), I find that I mostly shift with the shifter in lieu of the paddles. I love the DCT and may one day use the paddles as much as the shifter, but until my small little mind can sort out the realities of the DCT, I will continue to drive and shift (when in such a mode) however I do with a smile on my face.

Throttleblip · 07-23-2016, 08:57 AM

I think the action itself takes longer with he the shifter, but coming from manual cars, I enjoy shifting with the DCT stick more than the paddle. After 15 minutes of driving, I honestly feel almost like I am driving a manual car again (minus the clutch of course). Love that downshifts are forward and upshift backwards. It is very intuitive if you're come from a manual car.

Needsdecaf · 07-23-2016, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Outlaw M3

Both shift methods are equal in terms of shift time afik.

We're forced to use both unless you're really good contortionist and able to find the correct paddle to work when the wheel isn't straight. I can't understand why these paddles aren't attached to the column... In a predictable place...

As to why I would have such an issue, there's a few roads with sweeping turns and off ramps nearby where you can up shift. Also more than a few decreasing radius off ramps where a down shift is just soo much fun.

Sounds like you are moving your hands more than you should be. Paddles on the wheel is much preferable, IMO.

afadeev · 07-23-2016, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin G

This is probably all in my head (especially since coming off of years only owning 3 pedals), but does the DCT stick seem to shift faster than the paddles? Should there be any difference in gear-shifting speed between the two?

The actual DCT execution of the gear change is identical.

The time it takes for you to initiate the gear change request (flicking the peddle vs. moving the arm to touch the gear stick) may vary depending on how well you anticipate the shift point, and where you rest your right hand. If it's on the steering wheel, then it's faster to flick the hand peddles. If it's in the proximity of the gear knob, then the gear stick.

On track, I shift via the hand peddles.
On public roads, I'm in auto mode, until I get bored, and then I start shifting manually. About 75% of the time its via the steering wheel peddles. The other 25%, I go into manual tranny throw-back mode, and work the gear selector lever.

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-JLT- · 07-23-2016, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DBACE

My last car was a standard and my mind is still programmed as such. While I believe my reaction time is quicker with the paddles for obvious reasons (my hand(s) don't have to move), I find that I mostly shift with the shifter in lieu of the paddles. I love the DCT and may one day use the paddles as much as the shifter, but until my small little mind can sort out the realities of the DCT, I will continue to drive and shift (when in such a mode) however I do with a smile on my face.

I agree. I tried shifting with the paddles but find the shift lever so much more engaging.

landshark99 · 07-23-2016, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

Sounds like you are moving your hands more than you should be. Paddles on the wheel is much preferable, IMO.

not for me, shift levers on the column are one of the things I still miss from my GTR, you always new where they were. I f one is making a left turn and you want to upshift 1 to 2, I know have to use the shift lever instead of the paddles

dv8pdx · 07-23-2016, 03:28 PM

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not for me, shift levers on the column are one of the things I still miss from my GTR, you always new where they were. I f one is making a left turn and you want to upshift 1 to 2, I know have to use the shift lever instead of the paddles

I would get frustrated if the shifters where stationary on the column. When i race or drive hard my hards are located like a pro drivers, 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock. Right with the shifters. Just a flick of the finger to downshift and up shift and the shifters stay with your hands into corners and bends. If my wheel is turned and the shifters are stationary i would have to lift my hand to reach them. Doesnt sound intuitive for a drivers car. I guess just personal comfort. Maybe if I was turning a sharp corner or something like that at an intersection they would be good stationary. But not on a fun wild winding road.

landshark99 · 07-23-2016, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dv8pdx

I would get frustrated if the shifters where stationary on the column. When i race or drive hard my hards are located like a pro drivers, 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock. Right with the shifters. Just a flick of the finger to downshift and up shift and the shifters stay with your hands into corners and bends. If my wheel is turned and the shifters are stationary i would have to lift my hand to reach them. Doesnt sound intuitive for a drivers car. I guess just personal comfort. Maybe if I was turning a sharp corner or something like that at an intersection they would be good stationary. But not on a fun wild winding road.

They actual work really well when they are long, then you can touch no matter
where your hands are, the M3 on the wheel are a lot shorter. Again on a track or some twisties they are fine on the wheel, it just those freeway on ramps and left turns where the paddles get lost with the wheel cranked that hard

WildBee659 · 07-23-2016, 06:21 PM

I'm a paraplegic and I have the paddle shift wired into my hand controls. The shifts are as quick as if I used the paddles or gear shift. I use my index finger to up & down shift. Its the closest to a manual gear shifting I will drive. I love it.

For steering I use a spinner knob.

As far as which one is quicker between the paddles or gear shift, it depends on personal preference, IMHO. Using my index finger its pretty quick.LOL

GrussGott · 07-23-2016, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by WildBee659

I'm a paraplegic and I have the paddle shift wired into my hand controls.

AND driving a 'vert??? Totally baller

WoohooSoCal · 07-23-2016, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by WildBee659

I'm a paraplegic and I have the paddle shift wired into my hand controls. The shifts are as quick as if I used the paddles or gear shift. I use my index finger to up & down shift. Its the closest to a manual gear shifting I will drive. I love it.

For steering I use a spinner knob.

As far as which one is quicker between the paddles or gear shift, it depends on personal preference, IMHO. Using my index finger its pretty quick.LOL

This setup is the coolest dealio I've ever seen in any car. Nice work brother.

landshark99 · 07-24-2016, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by WildBee659

I'm a paraplegic and I have the paddle shift wired into my hand controls. The shifts are as quick as if I used the paddles or gear shift. I use my index finger to up & down shift. Its the closest to a manual gear shifting I will drive. I love it.

For steering I use a spinner knob.

As far as which one is quicker between the paddles or gear shift, it depends on personal preference, IMHO. Using my index finger its pretty quick.LOL

very impressive

WildBee659 · 07-24-2016, 05:04 PM

Thank you all.

I wanted a faster hardtop convertible with a DCT so I traded my 2011 335i convertible for the 2016 M4. Since I can't ride motorcycles, a convertible is the next best thing.

OutlawX3M · 07-24-2016, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DBACE

My last car was a standard and my mind is still programmed as such. While I believe my reaction time is quicker with the paddles for obvious reasons (my hand(s) don't have to move), I find that I mostly shift with the shifter in lieu of the paddles. I love the DCT and may one day use the paddles as much as the shifter, but until my small little mind can sort out the realities of the DCT, I will continue to drive and shift (when in such a mode) however I do with a smile on my face.

I had the same reaction when I first drove a car with paddles. It's more intuitive to use the shifter. It took a few cars with paddles until I became comfortable with them.

The shifter is fun, reminds me of my buddies 1971 Challenger with a slapstick shifter.

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donaldp Private 115 Rep 79 Posts Drives: SO/SS M3 Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: San Diego iTrader: (0)	it's quicker to flick the paddles then it is to pull the lever towards you. The reaction is the same but the action takes longer with the shifter.
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OutlawX3M First Lieutenant 298 Rep 353 Posts Drives: 2016 BMW M3 ZCP. 2020 BMW X3M Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Long Island, NY iTrader: (0) Garage List 2016 BMW M3 ZCP [0.00]	Both shift methods are equal in terms of shift time afik. We're forced to use both unless you're really good contortionist and able to find the correct paddle to work when the wheel isn't straight. I can't understand why these paddles aren't attached to the column... In a predictable place... As to why I would have such an issue, there's a few roads with sweeping turns and off ramps nearby where you can up shift. Also more than a few decreasing radius off ramps where a down shift is just soo much fun.
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WildBee659 Newbee 27 Rep 139 Posts Drives: 2016 M4 Comvertible(F83) Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Florida iTrader: (0)	I'm a paraplegic and I have the paddle shift wired into my hand controls. The shifts are as quick as if I used the paddles or gear shift. I use my index finger to up & down shift. Its the closest to a manual gear shifting I will drive. I love it. For steering I use a spinner knob. As far as which one is quicker between the paddles or gear shift, it depends on personal preference, IMHO. Using my index finger its pretty quick.LOL Attached Images __________________ 2016 BMW M4 Convertible(F83). 2007 Dodge Charger SRT8 "SuperBee" 2012 Dodge Charger SRT8 (Wife's Car)
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WildBee659 Newbee 27 Rep 139 Posts Drives: 2016 M4 Comvertible(F83) Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Florida iTrader: (0)	Thank you all. I wanted a faster hardtop convertible with a DCT so I traded my 2011 335i convertible for the 2016 M4. Since I can't ride motorcycles, a convertible is the next best thing. __________________ 2016 BMW M4 Convertible(F83). 2007 Dodge Charger SRT8 "SuperBee" 2012 Dodge Charger SRT8 (Wife's Car)
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