Drove a base 2016 911

[Atcdod]

Drove a used base model 911 yesterday, was very surprised at the lack of "wow factor" compared to our cars. Maybe it's just me but I was very disappointed.

[nicknaz]

how was it optioned, how did you drive it?

911 I think is more of an experience and emotional buy than a rational buy based on stats, etc.

Personally, I think the narrow body 911 lack drama visually and prefer the widebody versions with big wings (I'm biased, obviously)

[Dethsupp0rt]

Originally Posted by Atcdod

Drove a used base model 911 yesterday, was very surprised at the lack of "wow factor" compared to our cars. Maybe it's just me but I was very disappointed.

From a pure speed standpoint, maybe. I've driven a couple of older ones, and they aren't the fastest things on the road . . . but man, they drive great.

Try a base 2017, you'll probably retract your statement.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by Dethsupp0rt

From a pure speed standpoint, maybe. I've driven a couple of older ones, and they aren't the fastest things on the road . . . but man, they drive great.

Try a base 2017, you'll probably retract your statement.

Another approach is to go with a lightly modded 996 or 997 turbo. Those should be around the same pace as a stock F80 DCT

996 in particular is a great value. Underappreciated by the p-car community, but has an nice drive and the Mezger engine.

[ilya335]

I had the same feeling but I did not drive it in the canyons. I hear that's where it really shines.

[Powerslide]

Originally Posted by Atcdod

Drove a used base model 911 yesterday, was very surprised at the lack of "wow factor" compared to our cars. Maybe it's just me but I was very disappointed.

I've never driven any turbo 911 - however - I have driven the 991.1 base (non-S) - and I have to say - above 5500 rpm - pretty nice. Below 5500 rpm - honestly - my 4,150 lb E93 was actually more fun to drive.

991.1 GT3 on the other hand - amazing...

From what I've been seeing on the internet lately - try a 991.2S - that thing is a monster...

[Motorsportenterprise]

The 911 is more of an experience. The older base 911 needed to be revved but boy was it fun. And they were fun because they just handled so well and have such a connected and perfected feeling. Like everything is just ideal and optimal.

To nicknaz's point, they only get more absurd as you move up the lineup.

To Powerslides point, the 991.2S is not only an incredible fast car (mid 11s at 121/122 mph trap) they are even faster on track. For those instance, an M4 GTS despite being on cup tires and having 100 hp and 100 tq more is slower in a straight and slower on track than a 991.S.

[Draper]

Originally Posted by Dethsupp0rt

From a pure speed standpoint, maybe. I've driven a couple of older ones, and they aren't the fastest things on the road . . . but man, they drive great.

Try a base 2017, you'll probably retract your statement.

^ This

A base 991.2 would likely beat (or at least match) an F8x around a track.

[996ttelise]

Originally Posted by Powerslide

I've never driven any turbo 911 - however - I have driven the 991.1 base (non-S) - and I have to say - above 5500 rpm - pretty nice. Below 5500 rpm - honestly - my 4,150 lb E93 was actually more fun to drive.

991.1 GT3 on the other hand - amazing...

From what I've been seeing on the internet lately - try a 991.2S - that thing is a monster...

Yep, you gotta rev them, at least the NAs. The 991.2S is a beast for sure and I love my GT3. Nothing like GT3s in this price range and each update gets better and better.

[Ian1973]

It's hard for me to remember the years, but I relatively sure it was a 996 Turbo, it was a fun car, I wasn't like "HOLY CRAP", but it moved. I also drove directly after a 2004 911 40th Anniversary. It was nice, but I did not think it was that much more than my E46 M3 at the time.

I'm sure they are much better now however, but I would only consider buying an "S" or above.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by Ian1973

It's hard for me to remember the years, but I relatively sure it was a 996 Turbo, it was a fun car, I wasn't like "HOLY CRAP", but it moved. .

Lol, so are you saying it as fast, but not enough "emotion" "feel" and/or "sound"

That's like what everyone says about the f80 today

Nothing an exhaust and chip can't fix. Just like f80!

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

Lol, so are you saying it as fast, but not enough "emotion" "feel" and/or "sound"

That's like what everyone says about the f80 today

Nothing an exhaust and chip can't fix. Just like f80!

A chip in an F8X

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

A chip in an F8X

Bench flash, piggyback. Whatever. You know what I mean

The whole f8x is a "chip"; it's so digital!

[JTO24]

I went from a tuned F80 to a base Cayman w/o PSE but with 6spd and X73 suspension (so even slower than a base 991.1) so I can understand where the OP is coming from; two totally different driving experiences.

The Cayman felt super slow the day I picked it up since I was to riding the tidal wave of torque in the M, but once I readjusted my driving style I understood how to enjoy the most out of the car.

I'm with the majority of posters here by saying the sweet spot is probably a 991.2 C2 base. That is high up on my list for my next car.

[RIP1981]

The Base 991.1 feels a bit slow on straights. I felt that too.
It is kind of loud as it shifts down for high revs for every acceleration and then not that much happens subjectively.

But it isn't really that slow for real. In the real world you won't drive massively away in a 991.1 S or F80. Just a few car length and you need a lot of space to "kill" it.

On track even the base 991.1 can show the F80 what a real sports car can do to a sedan.

And the 991.2 will even be quicker.

The main difference comes when cornering and for me the driving feel is much more immersive. The F80 feels very artificial in comparison. You don't have as much feel for the road and all the weight transfers of the car in different situations.
You can't feel the limit as good. It just happens in the F80 and you can learn to deal with it. But it is much more feelable in a Porsche ... no matter if Cayman or 911.

So I can understand if it seems boring accelerating on the straight. But the whole drive is much more of an experience in a Porsche for most people.

Should have tried accelerating in low speeds. SO much more traction and push.
Even a base 911 feels more radical with LC from the standstill IMO than F80, which just blinks and spins the wheels ...

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by JTO24

I went from a tuned F80 to a base Cayman w/o PSE but with 6spd and X73 suspension (so even slower than a base 991.1) so I can understand where the OP is coming from; two totally different driving experiences.

The Cayman felt super slow the day I picked it up since I was to riding the tidal wave of torque in the M, but once I readjusted my driving style I understood how to enjoy the most out of the car.

I'm with the majority of posters here by saying the sweet spot is probably a 991.2 C2 base. That is high up on my list for my next car.

991.2 C2 base is ~118mph trap speed car with the PDK, so basically, we are all saying we want an F80/F82 levels of straight line punch, with Porsche crest...

As an aside, I firmly believe (now that I'm a former F80 DCT and current lightly modded 996TT 6MT owner) that any dissatisfaction of the F8X is just from owner expectations.

All of the "cons" on the F80 are design choices to make it a great road tripper and daily driver first and a toy second, and all the "pros" of the 99X cars are choices to make it a great toy first and a daily driver second

[Motorsportenterprise]

Originally Posted by Draper

^ This

A base 991.2 would likely beat (or at least match) an F8x around a track.

The 991.1 beat the M3/4 on quite a few tracks.

The 991.2 base absolutely slaughters an m3/4 on track by what I've seen so far. The 991.2S on summer tires is faster than an M4 GTS is on cup tires, not to mention the 80 hp and 100 lb/ft it has over it too.

Auto Bild - 991.2 base vs m4 vs GTR

M4: 1:33.60
GTR: 1:31.91
991.2: 1:32.47

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by Motorsportenterprise

The 991.1 beat the M3/4 on quite a few tracks.

The 991.2 base absolutely slaughters an m3/4 on track by what I've seen so far. The 991.2S on summer tires is faster than an M4 GTS is on cup tires, not to mention the 80 hp and 100 lb/ft it has over it too.

Auto Bild - 991.2 base vs m4 vs GTR

M4: 1:33.60
GTR: 1:31.91
991.2: 1:32.47

For us regular joes that is not a "slaughter"... that's a driver's race

[Draper]

Originally Posted by Motorsportenterprise

The 991.1 beat the M3/4 on quite a few tracks.

The 991.2 base absolutely slaughters an m3/4 on track by what I've seen so far. The 991.2S on summer tires is faster than an M4 GTS is on cup tires, not to mention the 80 hp and 100 lb/ft it has over it too.

Auto Bild - 991.2 base vs m4 vs GTR

M4: 1:33.60
GTR: 1:31.91
991.2: 1:32.47

Good to know! I knew the 991.2 S was an absolute beast, but hadn't noticed any times for the base.

The turbos in the C2S make it pretty appealing for us high altitude guys.

[Motorsportenterprise]

Originally Posted by Draper

Good to know! I knew the 991.2 S was an absolute beast, but hadn't noticed any times for the base.

The turbos in the C2S make it pretty appealing for us high altitude guys.

I'd say the 991.2, especially for ~100/110K very nicely equipped is a lot of car for the money esp when factoring in the build quality and the fact that it has the one of the best and most technologically advanced turbo engines out there right now.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by Motorsportenterprise

I'd say the 991.2, especially for ~100/110K very nicely equipped .

I'd rather put down a deposit for 991.2 gt3 and wait for that. It's a bit more but won't depreciate, while S will definitely

[sausage4]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

I'd rather put down a deposit for 991.2 gt3 and wait for that. It's a bit more but won't depreciate, while S will definitely

Good luck getting a 991.2 gt3.