Why doesn't the Stoptech SS line kit include the second hose in the rear?

lucid · 05-01-2009, 05:57 PM

I am looking into the Stoptech SS line kit.

There are two hoses in the stock system for the rear (#7 and #11).

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The stoptech kit seems to only convert one of those hoses to SS (#11?). Why is that?

http://www.zeckhausen.com/BMW/E92_M3.htm

This other SS kit has both hoses:

http://www.ecstuning.com/stage/edpd/...oductID=257353

GregW / Oregon · 05-01-2009, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucid

I am looking into the Stoptech SS line kit.

There are two hoses in the stock system for the rear (#7 and #11).

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The stoptech kit seems to only convert one of those hoses to SS (#11?). Why is that?

http://www.zeckhausen.com/BMW/E92_M3.htm

This other SS kit has both hoses:

http://www.ecstuning.com/stage/edpd/...oductID=257353

Good question. I had purchased this kit 6 months ago but haven't even gotten it out yet.

I have sent an inquiry to Zeckhausen who I got the kit from.

Edit: I see Dave was very responsive (2 posts down), as usual!

lucid · 05-02-2009, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon

Good question. I had purchased this kit 6 months ago but haven't even gotten it out yet.

I have sent an inquiry to them.

Thanks. Please let us know what you find out.

DZeckhausen · 05-02-2009, 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucid

I am looking into the Stoptech SS line kit.

There are two hoses in the stock system for the rear (#7 and #11).

The stoptech kit seems to only convert one of those hoses to SS (#11?). Why is that?

In order to access the upper lines (#7), you would have to lower the rear subframe. StopTech figured this was probably beyond the ability of most end users and decided to make a 2-line rear kit that only replaced the outer (#11) lines.

If there was enough demand for an "advanced" 4-line kit, they would probably make one available. But an informal poll of the folks who have purchased the 2-line rear kit thus far, none have indicated they would have wanted to tackle the inner line replacement.

If you want to see a 4-line rear kit, feel free to let me know and I'll pass that along to StopTech.

lucid · 05-02-2009, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DZeckhausen

In order to access the upper lines (#7), you would have to lower the rear subframe. StopTech figured this was probably beyond the ability of most end users and decided to make a 2-line rear kit that only replaced the outer (#11) lines.

If there was enough demand for an "advanced" 4-line kit, they would probably make one available. But an informal poll of the folks who have purchased the 2-line rear kit thus far, none have indicated they would have wanted to tackle the inner line replacement.

If you want to see a 4-line rear kit, feel free to let me know and I'll pass that along to StopTech.

Thanks for the clarification Dave. I poked around the braking system a little while changing pads, but I didn't realize the upper lines were obstructed by the subframe. That makes sense then. No, I wouldn't want to mess with the subframe just to get those portions replaced.

sparkyg · 05-02-2009, 08:37 AM

Thx Dave, provides great clarity.

Nice website btw, I bought my cables there

wea · 05-06-2009, 01:57 PM

I have worked in the past with StopTech on custom projects. They are awesome to work with. They can prototype any hose you need and then directly ship it to you. This is no disrespect to Dave who seems like a great vendor here but you can get anything you need directly from StopTech.

Case in point, I ordered a 4 line kit for my EVO VIII when they first came out. StopTech used an Eclipse PN# and the line guide were backwards. I took photos and submitted drawings to StopTech for product improvement. They built new lines to my specifications and FedEx'ed them to me next day. I took photos to demonstrate that it was correct and my specifications became the official EVO VIII brake line kit. The whole thing took about 3 days. They were just that responsive!

If you go through the trouble to have a kit made you will help us all.

Cheers

lucid · 10-02-2009, 01:43 PM

It turns out there are at least two people who have replaced hose #7 with SS lines without the need to mess with the subframe. More on that here:

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...=1#post5963588

aus · 11-23-2009, 03:25 PM

Did StopTech ever respond to these posts?

dawgdog · 11-24-2009, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by lucid

It turns out there are at least two people who have replaced hose #7 with SS lines without the need to mess with the subframe. More on that here:

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...=1#post5963588

I watched as this hose was replaced in a matter of minutes when my AP racing BBK was installed.

GTM · 11-24-2009, 06:03 PM

We also did not see any big problem replacing the 2nd hose section when we did the challenge lines on our E92 M3. Anyone else do it themselves here say it was beyond their ability by chance?

jbass524 · 12-02-2009, 01:15 AM

I recently installed a StopTech kit on my 335. It came with 6 pieces for the lines. It's tight in there and I didn't have any wrenches that would help so I paid my local independent shop to finish the install after I did everything else.

dolby · 12-04-2009, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by lucid

It turns out there are at least two people who have replaced hose #7 with SS lines without the need to mess with the subframe. More on that here:

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...=1#post5963588

I replaced my secondary rear lines today and it was a tedious process but was still done in about 30 mins.

Dolby

HP Autosport · 12-16-2009, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by lucid

It turns out there are at least two people who have replaced hose #7 with SS lines without the need to mess with the subframe. More on that here:

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...=1#post5963588

Easily done on a lift, but can be a job on the driveway as well.

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wea Private 17 Rep 74 Posts Drives: 2012 Porsche Cayman R Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Austin, TX iTrader: (2)	I have worked in the past with StopTech on custom projects. They are awesome to work with. They can prototype any hose you need and then directly ship it to you. This is no disrespect to Dave who seems like a great vendor here but you can get anything you need directly from StopTech. Case in point, I ordered a 4 line kit for my EVO VIII when they first came out. StopTech used an Eclipse PN# and the line guide were backwards. I took photos and submitted drawings to StopTech for product improvement. They built new lines to my specifications and FedEx'ed them to me next day. I took photos to demonstrate that it was correct and my specifications became the official EVO VIII brake line kit. The whole thing took about 3 days. They were just that responsive! If you go through the trouble to have a kit made you will help us all. Cheers __________________ Favorite Quote on Supercars: "They are designed to melt ice caps, kill the poor, poison the water table, destroy the ozone layer, decimate indigenous wildlife, recapture the Falkland islands, and turn the entire third world into a huge uninhabitable desert... but only after they nicked all the oil." Jeremy Clarkson from Top Gear 05x02 @ 48:55.
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lucid Major General 376 Rep 8,033 Posts Drives: E30 M3; Expedition Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	It turns out there are at least two people who have replaced hose #7 with SS lines without the need to mess with the subframe. More on that here: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...=1#post5963588 __________________
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aus Major General 894 Rep 9,034 Posts Drives: Odysse Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Seal Beach, CA iTrader: (10)	Did StopTech ever respond to these posts? __________________ Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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GTM 68 Rep 1,034 Posts Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Crystal Lake, IL iTrader: (2)	We also did not see any big problem replacing the 2nd hose section when we did the challenge lines on our E92 M3. Anyone else do it themselves here say it was beyond their ability by chance?
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jbass524 Major 99 Rep 1,050 Posts Drives: 2011 E90 M3 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Norcal iTrader: (2)	I recently installed a StopTech kit on my 335. It came with 6 pieces for the lines. It's tight in there and I didn't have any wrenches that would help so I paid my local independent shop to finish the install after I did everything else.
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