M3 F32: NA V8 & DCT or TT I6 & 6MT

BMW269 · 12-25-2010, 01:42 PM

The lastest "insider" info about the coming M3 is that it will get a TT I6 and no more be available as 6MT. IMHO, it is a horror. If to compromise, what would you rather prefere?
-That the next M3 comes with a TT I6, and the choice of a 6MT and optional DCT
OR
-That the next M3 comes with a further developped NA V8, and as the rumour says, "no more 6MT", as in the Ferrari 459 Italia, McLaren MP4-12, Mercedes SLS AMG, the coming Lamborghini, with only DCT available

I am for M3 F32 with NA V8 & DCT, after all so do come the supercars now. I love handshifting, but it is not what makes a good car. Even the Porsche GT3 RS with PDK would still stay the best drivers car and be even faster.

iceman335 · 12-25-2010, 01:44 PM

I hope Porsche starts to put PDK in all the GT cars for the next 911, the RS NEEDs it!

Serious · 12-25-2010, 09:57 PM

It isn't what makes a good car... it's what makes a good car even better to drive.

If I wanted a car with an automatic gearbox I would buy a lexus.

emthreeboy · 12-25-2010, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Serious

It isn't what makes a good car... it's what makes a good car even better to drive.

If I wanted a car with an automatic gearbox I would buy a lexus.

Well clearly you know nothing about the m-dct in the e9x m3s, its nothing like an auto. Why bother....lol

persian54 · 12-25-2010, 10:05 PM

6MT is better in a sportier sense... but for people who use their Ms as a DD and do get stuck in traffic (101/405 anyone? 110 by downtown?) a lot, DCT is a great alternative.

captainaudio · 12-25-2010, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by emthreeboy

Well clearly you know nothing about the m-dct in the e9x m3s, its nothing like an auto. Why bother....lol

Actually it is remarkably like an auto. That is one of the things that makes it a great tranmission and so much better than the SMG.

CA

Serious · 12-25-2010, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by emthreeboy

Well clearly you know nothing about the m-dct in the e9x m3s, its nothing like an auto. Why bother....lol

Ah yes because it has two wet clutches instead of a torque converter. It's still an automatic gearbox.

captainaudio · 12-25-2010, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Serious

Ah yes because it has two wet clutches instead of a torque converter. It's still an automatic gearbox.

I agree that the DCT is a form of an automatic transmission but it uses very differenct technology that the ZF automatic gearbox (Steptronic) that BMW uses. Some of the newer iterations of the ZF have replaced the torque converter with a wet clutch pack but that does not make it a DCT. The DCT uses very different technology to shift gears than the Steptronic does.

CA

mrad01 · 12-25-2010, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by captainaudio

I agree that the DCT is a form of an automatic transmission but it uses very differenct technology that the ZF automatic gearbox (Steptronic) that BMW uses. Some of the newer iterations of the ZF have replaced the torque converter with a wet clutch pack but that does not make it a DCT. The DCT uses very different technology to shift gears than the Steptronic does.

CA

I've driven both the M-DCT and 6MT. DCT has more in common "drive-wise" with steptronic than MT.

MT is probably gone in future Ms- but I'll pay EXTRA to BMW to option in a MT instead of the DCT. I don't want an automatic M car.

duk · 12-25-2010, 10:51 PM

Where is the V8 with 6MT for F32 option???

captainaudio · 12-25-2010, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mrad01

I've driven both the M-DCT and 6MT. DCT has more in common "drive-wise" with steptronic than MT.

MT is probably gone in future Ms- but I'll pay EXTRA to BMW to option in a MT instead of the DCT. I don't want an automatic M car.

I agree. The user interface is the same with the DCT and the Steptronic. I recently drove a 335is with the DCT and a very similar 335i with the Step back to back over the same roads. The driving experience was very similar (dare I say virtually identical). I would guess that most people could not tell the difference.

IMO once you get rid of the third pedal the technolgy that does the shifting is incidental. Either the car shifts quickly and smoothly on demand or it doesn't and if I does I don't reaclly care how it does it.

I seriously doubt the BMW will drop the MT in the new M3 and I personally hope they do not.

CA

IFX · 12-25-2010, 11:55 PM

no 6mt?

BMW will take a hit from it's TRUE hardcore 6mt enthusiasts..

M3 Montreal · 12-25-2010, 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Serious

Ah yes because it has two wet clutches instead of a torque converter. It's still an automatic gearbox.

LOL +1

My M3 is 6MT and for the longest time I was wondering if I made a mistake not getting a DCT...

When I recently picked up my 2011 S4 for the winter I chose the S-Tronic tranny (Audis version of DCT) and this confirmed to me that I did not make a mistake getting a 6MT on my M.

Yes it shifts SUPER fast and the paddles are fun and from light to light I can take on almost ANY car with my S4 but in the end it still drives like an automatic.

It actually made me love my 6MT M3 even more.

greycrx87 · 12-26-2010, 09:00 AM

no 6mt ---> no buy

Trier Germany · 12-26-2010, 09:10 AM

M-DCT is the bomb. I only drive it in manual mode S-5,MDM & sport plus. I was so torn when ordering my car I went back and forth. M-DCT makes the M3 a way better car and more capable.

OC3 · 12-26-2010, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Trier Germany

M-DCT is the bomb. I only drive it in manual mode S-5,MDM & sport plus. I was so torn when ordering my car I went back and forth. M-DCT makes the M3 a way better car and more capable.

+1

Need to start a new poll re: DCT --> % of time spent between D & S modes.

Daft · 12-26-2010, 09:12 AM

Whyyyyyy must everything fall back to the 6MT vs DCT debate!

OC3 · 12-26-2010, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Daft

Whyyyyyy must everything fall back to the 6MT vs DCT debate!

It's due to the choices in the poll. Perhaps should've just made it: NA V8 vs TT I6

BMW269 · 12-26-2010, 10:47 AM

The poll is meant to see what is more important for the M3: NA engine or 6MT, as this define the ultimate driving machine: 911 GT3.

skierman64 · 12-26-2010, 11:10 AM

The point of this poll is moot. The next M3 is not going to have the V8.

BMW269 · 12-26-2010, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by skierman64

The point of this poll is moot. The next M3 is not going to have the V8.

The point of the poll is to see what is more important for the M3 in the opinion of M3 owner/drivers? A naturally aspirated engine or a manual transmission? Because the next M3 may have none of these. Why a V8, because a NA I6 will not be enough. Don't ask me why.

cmk227 · 12-26-2010, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by IFX

no 6mt?

BMW will take a hit from it's TRUE hardcore 6mt enthusiasts..

This is my third M. I will only buy MT. Nothing against the other cars but Manual just feels so good.

I hope that BMW is wise to give us the option to pay more if we have to to keep the manual.

View Poll Results: What would you chose
M3 F32 with TT I6 & 6MT	20	23.81%
M3 F32 with NA V8 & DCT	64	76.19%
Voters: 84. You may not vote on this poll

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BMW269 Brigadier General 435 Rep 3,888 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Germany iTrader: (0)	M3 F32: NA V8 & DCT or TT I6 & 6MT The lastest "insider" info about the coming M3 is that it will get a TT I6 and no more be available as 6MT. IMHO, it is a horror. If to compromise, what would you rather prefere? -That the next M3 comes with a TT I6, and the choice of a 6MT and optional DCT OR -That the next M3 comes with a further developped NA V8, and as the rumour says, "no more 6MT", as in the Ferrari 459 Italia, McLaren MP4-12, Mercedes SLS AMG, the coming Lamborghini, with only DCT available I am for M3 F32 with NA V8 & DCT, after all so do come the supercars now. I love handshifting, but it is not what makes a good car. Even the Porsche GT3 RS with PDK would still stay the best drivers car and be even faster.
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BMW269 Brigadier General 435 Rep 3,888 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Germany iTrader: (0)	The poll is meant to see what is more important for the M3: NA engine or 6MT, as this define the ultimate driving machine: 911 GT3.
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