Question for SCOTT26: When will we be given information on E92 M3 final run?

[HBspeed]

I know BMW has protocol for when and what information is given out to the public regarding future products/production. However I don't see any harm in letting us know when such announcements will take place.

I will quite likely be ordering an Individual Paint E92 M3. However I will only do so once I know for fact the timetable for the final run, and I will be taking European Delivery. My concern is that European Delivery embodies significantly more planning than just ordering a car and waiting for it to show up at the local dealer. And since I will only be ordering a car from the last run/model year/special edition/etc., there is a high likelihood of a small window for coordinating such a purchase and an extended trip to Europe, along with work and life's schedule. I would hate to miss out because I was unprepared and had no idea when I would need to make such arrangements.

So any info on when we will know this final information would be greatly appreciated, and if you want to drop any nuggets about the content of the final run itself here I won't stop you either!!

[-=Hot|Ice=-]

The e92 M3 will go till June 2012 before leaving production for good.

[HBspeed]

Originally Posted by -=Hot|Ice=-

The e92 M3 will go till June 2012 before leaving production for good.

Originally Posted by Jason

The E92 M3 and E93 M3 will continue to be produced until at least June 2012 (along with the 3-series coupe and convertible). Whether they will be produced beyond June 2012 as 2013 model years is not yet known.

I know the model year 2012's will end around June 2012 according to the sticky thread. However, we still don't know anything about whether there will be a 2013 model year, or if there will be any special editions or special packages before the end of the line whether that be 2012's or 2013's.

If June 2012 is the actual end of all E92 M3's, then I am hoping to get some updated announcement, or at least word on when that announcement will come. I won't be placing an order until I know definitively.

If I buy an E92 M3 it is going to be a true keeper built to my perfect spec (aka individual paint), just like my E46 M3 (sunroof delete and cinnamon interior). I won't order until I know how the book on the E92 officially ends.

[Technic]

My litmus test is this... if the F30 3-Series shows up as a MY2012 then MY2012 will be the last E92/E93 model year -that is, June 2012 production is the end.

[SamS]

Originally Posted by Technic

My litmus test is this... if the F30 3-Series shows up as a MY2012 then MY2012 will be the last E92/E93 model year -that is, June 2012 production is the end.

F30 will definitely be MY2012, because there is no E90 MY2012. And BMW would not skip a MY.

So, it is with great certainty that MY2012 will be the last for the E92/E93.

[Mr. ///M3 RD]

Originally Posted by HBspeed

I know the model year 2012's will end around June 2012 according to the sticky thread. However, we still don't know anything about whether there will be a 2013 model year, or if there will be any special editions or special packages before the end of the line whether that be 2012's or 2013's.

If June 2012 is the actual end of all E92 M3's, then I am hoping to get some updated announcement, or at least word on when that announcement will come. I won't be placing an order until I know definitively.

If I buy an E92 M3 it is going to be a true keeper built to my perfect spec (aka individual paint), just like my E46 M3 (sunroof delete and cinnamon interior). I won't order until I know how the book on the E92 officially ends.

Have you spoken to your friendly new car sales manager? Surely he has the facts from the BMW head office and would know exactly when to place your order as far as timeline is concerned. What can be so difficult about that.

Good Luck

[Jason]

Originally Posted by Technic

My litmus test is this... if the F30 3-Series shows up as a MY2012 then MY2012 will be the last E92/E93 model year -that is, June 2012 production is the end.

The F30 will surely show up as a MY2012, per the official BMWNA production schedule:

See http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=543353

F30 begins production in November and the MY2012 end of production will be June 2012.

[HBspeed]

Makes sense. There is only one year of overlap for the last 2 versions of the M3 with the next gen 3-series, 1999 and 2006. It tradition holds, 2012 would be the last year of the E92 M3 assuming the F30 sedan is a MY2012.

Seems odd then that there hasn't been any hoopla yet about the end of the E92 M3 as one would expect. Maybe the schedule is spotlight the M5 right now, then F30 sedan in a month or so, then E92 M3 final sales push once the F30 sedan excitement starts to loose a bit of its buzz late this year/ early next year?

I want answers now gosh dawgitt!!

I needs to be planning me a trip to Deutschland right now if I'm going next Spring!!!!

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by SamS

F30 will definitely be MY2012, because there is no E90 MY2012. And BMW would not skip a MY.

But I think Technic's point is that the timing as far US sales for the F30 go is by no means clear yet. In fact, all we've heard is "late spring". Well to me, that is June, or maybe May at the earliest. However, MY2012 F30 production also happens to end in June just as MY2012 E92/E93 production does (along with a number of other BMW models, in fact). So then, does the US get a tiny run of MY2012 F30s? I guess so. But it is not immediately clear that that scenario is more likely than - or makes any more sense than - just skipping the MY2012 year altogether and simply starting US F30 sales with MY2013 production.

[SamS]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

But I think Technic's point is that the timing as far US sales for the F30 go is by no means clear yet. In fact, all we've heard is "late spring". Well to me, that is June, or maybe May at the earliest. However, MY2012 F30 production also happens to end in June just as MY2012 E92/E93 production does (along with a number of other BMW models, in fact). So then, does the US get a tiny run of MY2012 F30s? I guess so. But it is not immediately clear that that scenario is more likely than - or makes any more sense than - just skipping the MY2012 year altogether and simply starting US F30 sales with MY2013 production.

Yes, the US will get a short run for MY2012 F30s, from Late Spring '12 until Late Summer '12. When they do Sept '12 changes, they can have both F30 and the newly-intro'd F32 on a MY2013.

They're not going to make a MY2013 F30 available in May 2012. That's just not the way BMW has done it in the past. They'll sync up the coupe and sedan with MY2013 with they do the plant shutdown/switchover in Sept 2012. Same thing happened with the E90/E92.

[Mr. ///M3 RD]

Originally Posted by SamS

Yes, the US will get a short run for MY2012 F30s, from Late Spring '12 until Late Summer '12. When they do Sept '12 changes, they can have both F30 and the newly-intro'd F32 on a MY2013.

They're not going to make a MY2013 F30 available in May 2012. That's just not the way BMW has done it in the past. They'll sync up the coupe and sedan with MY2013 with they do the plant shutdown/switchover in Sept 2012. Same thing happened with the E90/E92.

I was in München at "Die Welt" on May 9th 2009. That was the official date that BMW introduced the sDrive Z4 35i to the German public.

So I guess the date you fellows are looking for would be early spring 2012 some time between mid April and mid May

[SamS]

Originally Posted by Rolf-Dieter

So I guess the date you fellows are looking for would be early spring 2012 some time between mid April and mid May

Different timelines for the Z4 and F30. The F30 European introduction date will be March 2012, with US availability probably in May 2012.

[Mr. ///M3 RD]

Originally Posted by SamS

Different timelines for the Z4 and F30. The F30 European introduction date will be March 2012, with US availability probably in May 2012.

Thanks, that does make sense ...

BMW needs something new every month in the smaller building just in front of the main entrance of "Die Welt" to keep the focus on the BMW brand

[HBspeed]

Originally Posted by SamS

Yes, the US will get a short run for MY2012 F30s, from Late Spring '12 until Late Summer '12. When they do Sept '12 changes, they can have both F30 and the newly-intro'd F32 on a MY2013.

They're not going to make a MY2013 F30 available in May 2012. That's just not the way BMW has done it in the past. They'll sync up the coupe and sedan with MY2013 with they do the plant shutdown/switchover in Sept 2012. Same thing happened with the E90/E92.

The MY2011 M3 was available even earlier in the year than May of 2010 though...

They could easily do the same for the F30 sedan, meaning the cross over year would then be MY2013?

SCOTT26 come back to the M3 forum already!!!

[SamS]

Originally Posted by HBspeed

The MY2011 M3 was available even earlier in the year than May of 2010 though...

They could easily do the same for the F30 sedan, meaning the cross over year would then be MY2013?

The MY2011 M3 was a difference scenario. It wasn't a "new" module introduction of a volume seller.

Originally Posted by HBspeed

SCOTT26 come back to the M3 forum already!!!

SCOTT26 has already weighed in on all of this, not sure why you guys are doubting: http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=522600

[HBspeed]

Originally Posted by SamS

SCOTT26 has already weighed in on all of this, not sure why you guys are doubting: http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=522600

There is no mention however of whether these first F30 sedans will be MY2012 or MY2013. And I suppose we are going to need clarification on what model year they will be before we can determine the E92 M3 timeline. I Guess we still haven't really figured anything out yet.


Here are the two relevant quotes from that thread:


"F30 sedan public debut will be at the Geneva show in March 2012 coinciding with the European on sale date."

"US sales of the F30 sedan begin that Summer."

[SamS]

Originally Posted by HBspeed

There is no mention however of whether these first F30 sedans will be MY2012 or MY2013. And I suppose we are going to need clarification on what model year they will be before we can determine the E92 M3 timeline. I Guess we still haven't really figured anything out yet.

Dude, trust me on this. All this info has been dissected. The first year of the F30 will be MY2012. They aren't going to start building MY2013 in November of this year!

[HBspeed]

Originally Posted by SamS

Dude, trust me on this. All this info has been dissected. The first year of the F30 will be MY2012. They aren't going to start building MY2013 in November of this year!

Ah there we go, good catch. I was scrutinizing that chart yesterday, but forgot to refer back to it today to see the model year on the F30.

[BMW269]

I do know if there'll be any special editions, there could be some, but the true special edition that is coming is the M3 CSL (E92). The thing is it does come in the U.S. and will surely be the most expensive road M3 after the M3 GTR (E46).

[eisenb11]

CSL didn't come to the US last time, probably won't make it to the US again. From what it sounds, our special editions are only cosmetic due to the pain of having to get the car recertified. I'm not holding my breath for a special edition that's more than a frozen paint color and some individual interior options for the US market.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by SamS

Yes, the US will get a short run for MY2012 F30s, from Late Spring '12 until Late Summer '12.
...
They're not going to make a MY2013 F30 available in May 2012.

You are misunderstanding me. I am not suggesting that the BMW would start US MY2013 F30 production before the rest of the world. What I am saying is that we don't even know yet if US sales will begin before the MY2012 F30 run is already coming to a close. The "late spring" and, especially, "early summer" dates being thrown around for estimated US F30 availability leave open the possibility that US will only get MY2013 and later, which should start sometime in June.

When they do Sept '12 changes, they can have both F30 and the newly-intro'd F32 on a MY2013.

September 2012 would be a very early arrival for the F32 given we haven't even seen one yet. I am not saying it can't happen, but it is by no means a given at this point.

That's just not the way BMW has done it in the past.

By not having a short MY2012 E90 run, BMW has already dispensed with the past as far as how they handle the 3 series sedan model changeover.

They'll sync up the coupe and sedan with MY2013 with they do the plant shutdown/switchover in Sept 2012. Same thing happened with the E90/E92.

The E92 didn't arrive until September 2006, which was a year and half after the sedan debuted in early 2005. And speaking of sync-ing - you may notice that the 3 series sedan is currently MY2011, and will continue to be even into calendar year 2012 - a move that is unprecendented by BMW as far as I know, and extremely rare industry wide. Meanwhile the E92 has now moved to MY2012. So they are already out of sync. Like I said, BMW has already bucked tradition. There's no guarantee what's going to happen with the F30 yet, nevermind the F32.

[SamS]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

You are misunderstanding me. I am not suggesting that the BMW would start US MY2013 F30 production before the rest of the world. What I am saying is that we don't even know yet if US sales will begin before the MY2012 F30 run is already coming to a close. The "late spring" and, especially, "early summer" dates being thrown around for estimated US F30 availability leave open the possibility that US will only get MY2013 and later, which should start sometime in June.

Sure we do. The F30 will get a global push, and you can bet BMW will try to get some on our shores ASAP. They're going to make F30 MY2012 all they way until the end of June 2012. You really think we'll have a gap where customers in the US can only buy E90s from now until August 2012?

Originally Posted by mkoesel

The E92 didn't arrive until September 2006, which was a year and half after the sedan debuted in early 2005.

Same with F30/F32. We'll see F30s in early 2012, just like you said above the E90 arrived in early 2005. And the F32 will arrive in ~Sept 2012. Same situation as E90/E92.

All the pieces have been laid out for the scenario I'm describing. There is not one thing to contradict this timeline.