0-60 (normal,sport sport+)

[bde]

Hey folks:

I was wondering if there was a big difference between the 3 modes during the 0-60 run or essentially if you press the throttle fully it won't matter?

Are all the test spec runs done in the sport+ mode by magazines etc?


Thanks)

[Longwong]

All those modes do is effect pedal sensitivity. If you go pedal to the floor the modes mean nothing

[Kong Sheng Han]

Actually, I think you'd be faster in Sport+ because of the reduced pedal travel to get to WOT. No?

[SenorFunkyPants]

It won't make any difference...putting it in MDM or DSC off can shorten your 0-60 time though.

[MysticBlue]

Originally Posted by Kong Sheng Han

Actually, I think you'd be faster in Sport+ because of the reduced pedal travel to get to WOT. No?

No.

[Kong Sheng Han]

Originally Posted by MysticBlue

No.

Lol ok

[crowed]

I am pretty sure you would reach a certain speed faster in the sport+ mode vs. the normal mode. It is true that the "max" power output from the engine is the same in any mode, but how it gets there is different-- aka you'll reach max power quicker in sport+ mode vs normal mode. What I am unsure of, however, is if you absolutely floor the car whether that difference is negligible or not.

[nullrouted]

When in doubt on this subject, take it from Jeremy Clarkson: "BMW have fitted it with a little button that when you press it, makes absolutely no difference in the speed you go, but it does make it worse (EDC being uncomfortable)"

[FVM3]

same

[bde]

Thanks for replies folks- that's what I figured

I think the only real difference would be the track setup where some people would prefer a more sensitive throttle for rev-matching vs the normal mode and a casual throttle application without going all the way.

Additionally some people claim that m mode makes you go faster, but the m-mode is just a collection of settings. Theoretically if you have power sport+ vs normal in m mode it won't make a difference. That leaves us only with the sport setting for EDC, which might have a slight effect on the 0-60 time due to less car body sway on a stiffer setting when shifting, however even then I would have my doubts about it being faster.

[bruce.augenstein@comcast.]

Originally Posted by bde

Thanks for replies folks- that's what I figured

I think the only real difference would be the track setup where some people would prefer a more sensitive throttle for rev-matching vs the normal mode and a casual throttle application without going all the way.

Additionally some people claim that m mode makes you go faster, but the m-mode is just a collection of settings. Theoretically if you have power sport+ vs normal in m mode it won't make a difference. That leaves us only with the sport setting for EDC, which might have a slight effect on the 0-60 time due to less car body sway on a stiffer setting when shifting, however even then I would have my doubts about it being faster.

Theoretical best acceleration would occur with suspension on full soft. In that configuration, you'd get more weight transfer to the rear because the front end will rise more while the rear "squats".

Bruce

[happos2]

Originally Posted by bruce.augenstein@comcast.

Theoretical best acceleration would occur with suspension on full soft. In that configuration, you'd get more weight transfer to the rear because the front end will rise more while the rear "squats".

Bruce

This!! Agreed.

OP..in real world though on the M3, you won't notice a difference.

[SenorFunkyPants]

Originally Posted by bde

Additionally some people claim that m mode makes you go faster, but the m-mode is just a collection of settings.

Noting of course the difference between the "M" button and MDM.

[FogCityM3]

Remember a Eurotuner article a while back that tested the M button (sport+) over several runs and there was modestly more torque and hp produced in the low rpm range, but HP and TQ were exactly the same as without the M button after 3,500-4,000 rpm IIRC. Also, believe R&T used to give launching pointers on what gave the best 0-60 times & 1/4 mile for the M3, and their fastest time was acheived with Sport + button. Not sure why that would be the case, either way, difference if any is miniscule at best assuming perfect launches (pretty difficult to acheive in their own right).

[bde]

Originally Posted by bruce.augenstein@comcast.

Theoretical best acceleration would occur with suspension on full soft. In that configuration, you'd get more weight transfer to the rear because the front end will rise more while the rear "squats".

Bruce

Didn't think of that. Point taken! Doubtful that anyone would actually do EDC on comfort for a 0-60 though)

Funky, is there such a thing as a difference between MDM and M mode- isn't it the same thing)?

[SenorFunkyPants]

Originally Posted by bde

Funky, is there such a thing as a difference between MDM and M mode- isn't it the same thing)?

As you noted earlier the M button activates a series of settings for: Throttle suspension etc...one of the options for the M button is MDM (M dynamic mode) which is a more liberal setting for the Dynamic stabilty control (DSC).
In MDM you are allowed (amongst other things) more wheelspin before the traction control cuts in. In normal (non MDM) mode the system will cut back the engine power any time it senses the onset of wheelspin which will quite often slow your WOT acceleration in 1st and 2nd gear.

[bde]

Gotcha - thanks)

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by bde

Thanks for replies folks- that's what I figured

I think the only real difference would be the track setup where some people would prefer a more sensitive throttle for rev-matching vs the normal mode and a casual throttle application without going all the way.

Additionally some people claim that m mode makes you go faster, but the m-mode is just a collection of settings. Theoretically if you have power sport+ vs normal in m mode it won't make a difference. That leaves us only with the sport setting for EDC, which might have a slight effect on the 0-60 time due to less car body sway on a stiffer setting when shifting, however even then I would have my doubts about it being faster.

More sensitive for rev matching? Just blip a little harder. I prefer normal throttle settings on the track to allow for modulation. Dont like the on and off like response in the other modes.

[mdosu]

Originally Posted by pkim1079

More sensitive for rev matching? Just blip a little harder. I prefer normal throttle settings on the track to allow for modulation. Dont like the on and off like response in the other modes.

it's easier for me, I have some mental block about doing it properly on normal.

[thekurgan]

Sport feels like most cars I've driven, and I'd always wanted a pure linear throttle, like Normal, I'm glad BMW left it alone and added the 2 other worthless options.

[Atombyte]

Originally Posted by thekurgan

Sport feels like most cars I've driven, and I'd always wanted a pure linear throttle, like Normal, I'm glad BMW left it alone and added the 2 other worthless options.

I prefer the sport setting. The normal setting feels artificially "soft" to me, like the "Eco Pro" mode on the 535. Sport feels like normal to me and easiest to rev match. Sport+ is way too sensitive and useless to me. I don't use MDM on public roads, so all my "M" button does is set my throttle properly. So my startup routine is hit the start button, followed by the "M" button. Wish I could default the throttle to sport.

[jphughan]

^ Normal feels "soft" to me on the road too, but that's because you tend to drive in lower RPMs there, but Normal is PERFECT on the track where precision and linearity are the name of the game and where you're constantly running high RPMs. Yes rev matching in Normal requires a little adaptation, but honestly your entire driving style changes on the track, so it's not very difficult to adjust that as well.

I therefore use Normal on the track and on spirited hill country drives and keep Sport for lazy casual driving where a twitchier throttle makes the car feel faster and the decreased precision is a non-issue.